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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Let me help you out.

    Showing someone pornography isn't torture in my book. Pouring gasoline down someone's throat and setting her ablaze is torture. Cutting off someone's ears and legs before killing them is torture. Taking a knife and slowly cutting someone to bits is torture.

    To you pornography is torture.

    My post was clear. And very brief.
    Your post was akin to claiming that emotional pain isn't real pain. It's a cruel heartless position that has no basis in reality. Numerous scientific studies have concluded that emotional pain and emotional anguish are just as real as the pain of losing a limb. In fact when it comes to torture, mental torture is probably more painful and damaging than physical pain. Watch the myth busters episode on Chinese water torture. Despite being able to stop it at any time, the person exposed was going through a mental breakdown after a few hours.

    Also your post ignores the fact that torture can depend on the individual. Serving a prisoner bacon would usually be a treat, but what about a devout Jew? Would that not be torture to force someone to eat something that they believed to be a sin against their god? Devout Muslims (and many others) view watching pornography as evil. And again, we're not even talking about normal stuff. I doubt many people could be forced to watch something like 2 girls 1 cup and not consider it to be torture.

    As for it's brevity, that's not a valid defense. It would be like reading the Diary of Anne Frank and saying only, "Being locked in a room isn't that bad". Claiming that this statement was brief would not excuse the entire lack of human empathy it took to say it. It's not just brief, it's intentionally ignoring tremendous human suffering.

    Finally, something can be torture and not be the worst possible thing ever. Otherwise it would be clear that your definition of torture pales in comparison to the real thing. Burning? Cutting off someone’s ears? Decapitation? Those are positively luxurious compared to some thinks we've thought up over the years. Judas' cradle, flaying, the breaking wheel, the pear of anguish, the head crusher, the iron maiden, the Spanish tickler, and many many other torture devices are on an entirely different level of cruelty.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Actually, yes. When you call a person a "thing" there really isn't a need to read any more. And rational discussion is obviously not going to happen.
    Ok. So if that is the case, your decision to have a discussion means you're going to be irrational too?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Great. We now have national policy being done because people watch "24" and think its real.
    Yeah, but we do have some actually go out there and put their ass on the line. Die for it too.

    Not to many can handle whats out there. That's why they get to sit back and watch TV shows.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Ok. So if that is the case, your decision to have a discussion means you're going to be irrational too?
    I'm not engaging with you on the topic of the thread. No point.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, but we do have some actually go out there and put their ass on the line. Die for it too.

    Not to many can handle whats out there. That's why they get to sit back and watch TV shows.
    Yes, and many of them who put their asses on the line agree that our EIT/torture program was a national disgrace.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, but we do have some actually go out there and put their ass on the line. Die for it too.

    Not to many can handle whats out there. That's why they get to sit back and watch TV shows.
    Die for what? For a country where we believe that no one is above or beneath the law? A place where everyone has the right to a fair trial. A place where the government can't just take you away in the middle of the night based on the say so of a neighbor?

    That place?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Die for what? For a country where we believe that no one is above or beneath the law? A place where everyone has the right to a fair trial. A place where the government can't just take you away in the middle of the night based on the say so of a neighbor?

    That place?

    Did you want to say they didn't die for what they believed in? Btw at least the Military get a headstone with their Name on it when they die. These guys get something, but nothing to identify them.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not engaging with you on the topic of the thread. No point.
    LOL. It seems you are.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Where the hell are our ethics? Our principles as a nation given the results we see today from all this?
    Do you really believe that the United States is admired for their 'ethics', or principles'? That suggests that other nations don;t believe they are the most ethical in the world, with the greatest number of principles. People around the world are watching the incredibly rapid decline of a once great superpower and laughing at the idea of American 'ethics', as though they are so very 'special'.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you want to say they didn't die for what they believed in? Btw at least the Military get a headstone with their Name on it when they die. These guys get something, but nothing to identify them.
    So what? They were fighting for a country that incarcerates six innocent people in Gitmo for five years, then releases them in South America, never having filed charges. They gave up their lives for a country that allows a captive to freeze to death chained to a concrete floor in the Salt Pit in Afghanistan, then note in passing that his rendition was a case of mistaken identity.
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