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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Ok. Three things:

    1). The examples you provided are not torture in the context we are using here. Torture in gitmo is a series of particularly gruesome tactics designed to break a person down mentally/physically in an attempt to force them to give up information needed by the US Government. Whatever that might be. Killing your prisoner does not achieve that goal, it's just murder. Thus "shoving gasoline down their throat and setting them ablaze" is not a torture tactic.

    2). There are two major types of torture. Physical and mental. You don't have to leave a scratch on the body to torture a man. In fact, some might say breaking the mind is worse than breaking the body.

    3). I will repeat myself: the bizarre pornography was just one out of a dozen torture techniques outlined in the article.
    1) I never said anything otherwise.

    2) I never said anything otherwise.

    3) I don't believe there is a rule on this board that says I'm required to address everything mentioned in a post or a link when I respond. If I was making a point about animal abuse, and posted a long article that said "Cats are burned. Cats are hit with objects. Cats are shot. Cats are hung by their tails. Cats are declawed.", and someone responded by saying something about declawing and asking if that's torture, I wouldn't be ignorant enough to accuse that poster of being a psychopath, or even demanding to know why the poster didn't address the other points in the article.

    I don't consider pornography to be torture. I don't owe anyone an explanation for that, nor do I owe anyone an explanation as to why that's the only thing I posted.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I wouldn't normally let a guy like that get me an infraction... but it just seemed so disrespectful.
    It reminds me of how people had questions about Nazi Germany, and how normal people could have been coo opted into tolerating horrible things.

    One can really build a psychological wall when threatened that makes no logical sense to the outside world. And that's what I see happening with this whole torture thing.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    3) I don't believe there is a rule on this board that says I'm required to address everything mentioned in a post or a link when I respond.
    LOL (what a thing to say outloud). "I don't think I'm required to actually read the whole posts or take them in context". No, unfortunately that's not required.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If I was making a point about animal abuse, and posted a long article that said "Cats are burned. Cats are hit with objects. Cats are shot. Cats are hung by their tails. Cats are declawed.", and someone responded by saying something about declawing and asking if that's torture, I wouldn't be ignorant enough to accuse that poster of being a psychopath, or even demanding to know why the poster didn't address the other points in the article.
    If someone said a cat was burned, hit, shot, hung, and declawed, and you said "declawing is torture now"... yeah that would fit the bill.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Who said they put food in there? Where did you get that? Is it in the report this food was stuffed up into their intestines? Feinstein said Rectal feeding.

    Seems you left off some too.


    Central Intelligence Agency interrogators made clear that the practice, justified as a way to hydrate prisoners who refused to eat, wasn’t simply for their health. It was identified as a means of “behavior control” by CIA medical officers that could hasten the end of hunger strikes, according to the documents.

    While IV infusion is safe and effective, we were impressed with the ancillary effectiveness of rectal infusion on ending the water refusal in a similar case,” one of the officers wrote, according to an executive summary of the 6,000-page report, originally approved in December 2012 and now declassified. The same officer described how the procedure was carried out: “Regarding the rectal tube, if you place it and open up the IV tubing, the flow will self-regulate, sloshing up the large intestines,” he wrote.....snip~
    So if they did use food, would you consider that torture?

    Because:

    "One CIA cable released in the report reveals that detainee Majid Khan was administered by enema his “‘lunch tray’ consisting of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins was ‘pureed and rectally infused’”. One CIA officer’s email was in the report quoted as saying “we used the largest Ewal [sic] tube we had”."
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So, if a U.S. citizen is detained by Iran, with no charges, trial, etc. for 15 years, you're good with that?
    No I'm not, we would have to rescue them, just like if we detained someone from Iran without trial they would have to rescue them.

    That's the extremely unfortunate reality, no matter what an international law says, the POW is ultimately at the mercy of the captor.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

    Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com
    You may find it interesting how the story was written, but I find it more interesting to know why it was written. Who gives a damn what this thing has to say.

    Boo Hoo. This moron needs to go screw himself. You know who starts and ends their day in a little ball, the survivors of the innocents who jumped to their death with thoughts of their loved ones counting down the moments before they exploded on the pavement below. The list goes on.

    I can only hope these people will find a speedy result in Evolutions attempt to remove them from the gene pool.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You may find it interesting how the story was written, but I find it more interesting to know why it was written. Who gives a damn what this thing has to say.

    Boo Hoo. This moron needs to go screw himself. You know who starts and ends their day in a little ball, the survivors of the innocents who jumped to their death with thoughts of their loved ones counting down the moments before they exploded on the pavement below. The list goes on.

    I can only hope these people will find a speedy result in Evolutions attempt to remove them from the gene pool.
    What did that guy have to do with 9/11?

    Oh yeah. Mooslim. They're all to blame.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    No I'm not, we would have to rescue them, just like if we detained someone from Iran without trial they would have to rescue them.

    That's the extremely unfortunate reality, no matter what an international law says, the POW is ultimately at the mercy of the captor.
    But of course that's not the point. We would expect/demand that our citizens get due process - a trial, etc. By saying we'd engage in a military act to rescue them is just a reflection of what we would demand and how far we'd go to enforce that demand. But you're saying we have no obligation to do what we'd demand of others.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    "Unless you live in 'murica, you don't have no rights."
    I did not say that.

    Obviously, if you're a tourist in the USA you have rights and such. As a POW however, your rights are nearly non-existent and that is fine because the loser is naturally always at the mercy of the victor. Fighting the USA is a choice, and being utterly brutal to Americans and other people is also a choice.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You may find it interesting how the story was written, but I find it more interesting to know why it was written. Who gives a damn what this thing has to say.

    Boo Hoo. This moron needs to go screw himself. You know who starts and ends their day in a little ball, the survivors of the innocents who jumped to their death with thoughts of their loved ones counting down the moments before they exploded on the pavement below. The list goes on.

    I can only hope these people will find a speedy result in Evolutions attempt to remove them from the gene pool.
    All that you really needed to say.

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