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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and that's why I stated it was done as an emergency medical with rehydration. Feinstein embellished there quite a bit.
    The point is rectal FEEDING is torture/EIT or degradation or humiliation or punishment - take your pick. It's not a medical procedure or done for medical purposes. No solid food is digested in the large intestine.

    While rectal hydration may be used in emergency situations, it’s not the first-, second- or even third-best option, said Allen Keller, director of the Bellevue/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture.....snip~
    You left off the relevant portion of that quote: Where Rectal Feeding Came From and How the CIA Used It - Bloomberg

    “This [rectal feeding]was done not solely for therapeutic reasons but as another form of abuse or humiliation,” Keller said. “Given the circumstances, this is sodomy with the intention of humiliation under the guise of medical treatment.”
    If it was hydration, it was still almost surely done for degradation/humiliation, but still potentially (barely) plausible that the reason was medical purposes. Not so with solid food. It's simply NOT remotely plausible that's the procedure we would use if the person actually needed (for medical reasons) to be force fed.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Who did he murder? When was he convicted?
    Is he a citizen of the USA?

    As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that says POWs need to be treated with any sort of rights/humanity/what-have-you is the geneva convention and the USA clearly can give two craps about the Geneva convention.

    IOW, does the USA even have to convict enemies of war? Can it not simply just do whatever to the enemy of the state? Unlike them, we have rights, but they don't, they're not part of the USA in any way.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I understand it is a hard choice to make.....but it does get easier if one includes family or those who mean the most to them.

    That is false.....the Demos cherry picking a few cases doesn't tell the story and is not factual. ISIS killed over 5400 people last month alone. They have killed over 20k since June. Well over 20k. Which doesn't count AQ or Al nusra. Nor Ansar al Sharia.

    Just like they listed down rectal feeding.....what they didn't tell you. Was it, had nothing to do with Interrogation. Or any EIT's, it was medical that it had to be done to save their lives. It also wasn't the only means in getting them rehydrated. They had IVs in too.
    Rectal feeding is not a medical 'thing'. It was done as punishment. You know...torture.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    My question is, what does someone do to get into Guantanamo Bay.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    My question is, what does someone do to get into Guantanamo Bay.
    Depends. Some of them are the worst of the worst. What many of the others did (most now released) to 'get' there was pretty much nothing except have the bad fortune of being someone a bounty hunter targeted for no particular reason.

    And if they do sell their souls to get their, why should I feel sorry for them in any way? Why should I want to keep them safe in any way? Why should I care about their non-existent rights?
    They're called 'human rights' for a reason, and there was a time in this country when we gave a damn about them - even those of our enemies.

    It takes a lot to get into that place it seems. Outside of getting the wrong person, I can't see why there's anything wrong with what goes in on Guantanamo Bay considering the evil beings that get put in there.
    That's a caveat big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through.

    Plus, it's intel gathering on the enemies of the USA, so it serves a practical purpose.
    So, if a U.S. citizen is detained by Iran, with no charges, trial, etc. for 15 years, you're good with that?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Let me help you out.

    Showing someone pornography isn't torture in my book. Pouring gasoline down someone's throat and setting her ablaze is torture. Cutting off someone's ears and legs before killing them is torture. Taking a knife and slowly cutting someone to bits is torture.

    To you pornography is torture.

    My post was clear. And very brief.
    Ok. Three things:

    1). The examples you provided are not torture in the context we are using here. Torture in gitmo is a series of particularly gruesome tactics designed to break a person down mentally/physically in an attempt to force them to give up information needed by the US Government. Whatever that might be. Killing your prisoner does not achieve that goal, it's just murder. Thus "shoving gasoline down their throat and setting them ablaze" is not a torture tactic.

    2). There are two major types of torture. Physical and mental. You don't have to leave a scratch on the body to torture a man. In fact, some might say breaking the mind is worse than breaking the body.

    3). I will repeat myself: the bizarre pornography was just one out of a dozen torture techniques outlined in the article.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Is he a citizen of the USA?

    As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that says POWs need to be treated with any sort of rights/humanity/what-have-you is the geneva convention and the USA clearly can give two craps about the Geneva convention.

    IOW, does the USA even have to convict enemies of war? Can it not simply just do whatever to the enemy of the state? Unlike them, we have rights, but they don't, they're not part of the USA in any way.
    Interesting that your 'libertarian' understanding of 'rights' is they flow being a citizen of the U.S. If that's the basis for a 'right' they're not rights at all but privileges granted by government that can be rescinded at will.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I did think the word 'psychopath' was a bit extreme.

    But after thinking about it a bit...
    I wouldn't normally let a guy like that get me an infraction... but it just seemed so disrespectful.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Is he a citizen of the USA?

    As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that says POWs need to be treated with any sort of rights/humanity/what-have-you is the geneva convention and the USA clearly can give two craps about the Geneva convention.

    IOW, does the USA even have to convict enemies of war? Can it not simply just do whatever to the enemy of the state? Unlike them, we have rights, but they don't, they're not part of the USA in any way.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is rectal FEEDING is torture/EIT or degradation or humiliation or punishment - take your pick. It's not a medical procedure or done for medical purposes. No solid food is digested in the large intestine.



    You left off the relevant portion of that quote: Where Rectal Feeding Came From and How the CIA Used It - Bloomberg



    If it was hydration, it was still almost surely done for degradation/humiliation, but still potentially (barely) plausible that the reason was medical purposes. Not so with solid food. It's simply NOT remotely plausible that's the procedure we would use if the person actually needed (for medical reasons) to be force fed.

    Who said they put food in there? Where did you get that? Is it in the report this food was stuffed up into their intestines? Feinstein said Rectal feeding.

    Seems you left off some too.


    Central Intelligence Agency interrogators made clear that the practice, justified as a way to hydrate prisoners who refused to eat, wasn’t simply for their health. It was identified as a means of “behavior control” by CIA medical officers that could hasten the end of hunger strikes, according to the documents.

    While IV infusion is safe and effective, we were impressed with the ancillary effectiveness of rectal infusion on ending the water refusal in a similar case,” one of the officers wrote, according to an executive summary of the 6,000-page report, originally approved in December 2012 and now declassified. The same officer described how the procedure was carried out: “Regarding the rectal tube, if you place it and open up the IV tubing, the flow will self-regulate, sloshing up the large intestines,” he wrote.....snip~

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