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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You of course left out the best part from your cherry picked source:

    "Obviously, this doesn’t preclude Warren from having traces of Native American heritage."

    Also left out from your own source:
    1. I left out "traces" from what I quoted because it isn't relevant what, or how the writer wants to try and mitigate her lies. This is the writers opinion, I listed the facts.

    2. As for the Globe story, all you are including is hearsay...Some in her family say it's true, some say it they can't remember, but the fact is that she listed on her college apps that she was "Native American"... to IMHO, to gain special considerations that she wasn't entitled to. She is a liar by definition. This is explained in what I posted.

    That sounds a lot like my family, actually. I'm Jewish, but there's a chunk of my family that is, believe it or not, extremely antisemitic, and will swear up and down it's not true at all. But that's families for you. So what have here is a clear case of he said/she said, but you're just automatically going for the narrative that fits your political ideology only. You literally have no basis whatsoever for choosing one side over the other.
    You point one finger at me here, while three of your own are pointing back at you...Tell me why you believe she is Native American? Do you have any verifiable proof at all that she is?

    You came at me last night in a very aggressive manner to mock, and call me out, now you seem like instead of disputing my proof, you are more making excuses for her...Also, you have nothing at all to say about the clip of what I posted about what she said during the so called "Republican shutdown" while today, doing exactly what she was railing about...And yet you still think she is not a liar? But want to call me partisan? *Scoff*!
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's her family, not yours, so you're not in a position to conclude anything. I have Jewish lineage but part of my family believes otherwise. Do you automatically take their side?
    You taking people's right to an opinion away again? Of course he can conclude whatever he wants, regardless of how outrageous you deem it may be. Facts however are a wonderful thing.

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    Warren’s Lineage

    Warren has claimed Cherokee and Delaware Indian heritage, but the only proof so far seems to be stories she says she heard from family members as a child. Cherokee groups have demanded documentation of the candidate’s Native American ancestry, but she hasn’t delivered. Did Elizabeth Warren check the Native American box when she ‘applied’ to Harvard and Penn? - The Washington Post
    My guess is she never will provide proof - that doesn't mean somewhere in the tens of thousands of years of history some gene may be American Indian.... it's just that there is no evidence to support it other than Warren's say so and... forgive me for being so cynical ... but I don't take politicians say so on much, especially from the creator of "you didn't build that".
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    We shall see if I am wrong. There are a lot of folks out there ready to remind the voters how their congressperson voted. And I look to see many of them challenged in their primaries over it. Now there is a real possibility that before their term is up this time, the Supremes will have ruled on the case they have agreed to hear this coming Spring challenging federal funds being sent to states that did not set up market places. If the Supremes rule in favor of the defendant, Obamacare crumbles. Or something could come out of the case the House filed against Obama over legislating from the Oval office on Obamacare. There is already a bill that has passed the House calling for the fence to be built ASAP. Harry Reid shelved it sometime back. With the new Senate majority coming in this January, that will likely go to Obama's desk to be signed. If the fence gets built then Repubs take credit if Obama vetoes it could be real damning for Democrats politically as they are already warning of another huge insurgence of illegals from the South border.
    Building a border fence is a joke. What is required is real enforcement within the interior with real, and severe, penalties for anyone that employes illegal labor. We now have 10X as many federal TSA airport nannies as federal ICE agents. With up to 20 million illegals now inside the US, and those folks creating more US citizen "anchor babies" every day, it does not much matter if we make a "solid commitment" to better secure the border within a decade or so. We can currently remove only about 400K illegals per year and at considerable expense - meaning that to simply remove those illegals already here will take decades even if we managed to stop all new illegal entries tomorrow.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's her family, not yours, so you're not in a position to conclude anything. I have Jewish lineage but part of my family believes otherwise. Do you automatically take their side?
    Lineage is a pretty easy thing to prove. For instance, records are kept. In the case of claiming 'native american' status, the blood would tell the story...Not to mention on this the people that could conclusively verify whether she is a bonafide Native American say no, she is not.

    That's all you need unless you are so blind as to just support anything she spews.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You taking people's right to an opinion away again? Of course he can conclude whatever he wants, regardless of how outrageous you deem it may be. Facts however are a wonderful thing.



    My guess is she never will provide proof - that doesn't mean somewhere in the tens of thousands of years of history some gene may be American Indian.... it's just that there is no evidence to support it other than Warren's say so and... forgive me for being so cynical ... but I don't take politicians say so on much, especially from the creator of "you didn't build that".
    Absolutely....
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lineage is a pretty easy thing to prove. For instance, records are kept. In the case of claiming 'native american' status, the blood would tell the story...Not to mention on this the people that could conclusively verify whether she is a bonafide Native American say no, she is not.

    That's all you need unless you are so blind as to just support anything she spews.
    And yet you blindly accept that it's a lie. Think about that. I don't blindly accept that she's absolutely Native American, but what's there for me to deny or reject? It's not my family and it's not for me to say. Lots of people have different kinds of ancestry, and not everyone walks around with tidy little bundles of documentation for everything they have in their lineage.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You taking people's right to an opinion away again? Of course he can conclude whatever he wants, regardless of how outrageous you deem it may be. Facts however are a wonderful thing.
    Yes, I'm coming to take away your freedom of speech.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's her family, not yours, so you're not in a position to conclude anything. I have Jewish lineage but part of my family believes otherwise. Do you automatically take their side?
    I don't care abut your lineage as it's not pertinent to this discussion and yes, I understand as well that Elizabeth Warren is not part of my family.

    The fact is she was uncertain about her lineage until it came time to check the little box.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Elizabeth Warren's lineage is utterly irrelevant to the passage of this bill.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't care abut your lineage as it's not pertinent to this discussion and yes, I understand as well that Elizabeth Warren is not part of my family.

    The fact is she was uncertain about her lineage until it came time to check the little box.
    And you know this how?

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