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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He was promoting the virtues of big govt. That is not what built most of this country. Trouble with your thinking is you think people would never start a business until some govt agency built a ****ing road. It's the other way around. Obama was being a 100% big govt ass.
    Rightfully pointing out that government can be beneficial = "being a big government ass."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Don't make moronic, intellectually dishonest arguments and you won't be held accountable for them.
    I didn't.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I got to tell you, I am livid over what happened yesterday. When you consider, just about every Republican now serving in the House is there because of running on getting rid of Obamacare, cut government spending, and stop immigration reform before building the damn fence. Every Republican that voted yes yesterday broke all their campaign promises in one damn vote.

    The reason there isn't a damn fence built yet even though it was ordered to be built and funded prior to 2006 is because the Chamber of Commerce didn't want a fence. The Chamber of Commerce also wants amnesty for all their illegal workers they hire. The Chamber of Commerce has lobbied hard for amnesty and had done so with a lot of hard cash. Hope those Republicans who voted yes yesterday will be happy with the love the Chamber of Commerce will give them because that vote cost them a lot of love with their constituents. Hope they all enjoy their next two years in Washington and plan on spending a lot of money on their challenged primaries next time around. People aren't going to forget this one.
    Greetings, Vesper.

    One can only hope there is a method to their madness on this - a larger picture that we are not yet aware of. IMO, the voters overwhelmingly told them what they wanted - bipartisanship and cooperation between the parties to get this country and its problems handled NOW! I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, because the new Congress hasn't even been sworn in yet, but I agree this was a shocker. WTH is going on? Are the voters going to be ignored yet again? When millions of people tell you what they want, it isn't the smartest thing to disregard them! We shall see.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I didn't.
    Yes, you did! Yes, you did.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yesterday, I was confronted after calling Elizabeth Warren a liar by Cardinal who not only lashed into a pretty insulting tirade aimed at myself, but anyone else that couldn't, or wouldn't play his game of "produce what I demand NOW!"

    Warren represents the worst of progressive thought, and action. She is possibly worse than Obama on that front as to the threat she poses to our system of Government, and Economy. Consider in light of this thread where she, in the party of power in the Senate until the end of the month, and a person who said this last year during what was labeled "the Republican shutdown" by libs, and media libs, (start watching at 3:55):



    So today would she say that SHE is the one that can't accept the reality of losing an election? Would she consider herself a hostage taker who can't win their fights any other way, and should "get out of the way"? It's rich I tell ya....

    When Warren was speaking at the Democratic National Convention, she said at one point while attacking Ted Cruz, and I quote...."...Maybe if they weren't busy saying No, No, No, then we could build a bridge"... Really? Who's saying "No" to this now Liz? She is...Using the very same tactic she denounced when Republican's like Cruz used it...So, what's she for? What she said then? Or now?

    Clearly she is a liar...About the Native American claim...

    The Washington Post, (clearly NOT a conservative outlet) reports:

    "When she [Elizabeth Warren] applied to Penn and Harvard, she checked the box claiming she was Native American..."

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    So when she claimed that she was at least in part Native American, that was a pure lie.

    Of course the list goes on like most hypocrites in DC there is a long list....But Warren, being an unabashed progressive, anti capitalist, and in many ways Socialist that is further to the left than even Obama, is a further danger to this country...She should be scoffed, and castigated whenever possible.
    You of course left out the best part from your cherry picked source:

    "Obviously, this doesn’t preclude Warren from having traces of Native American heritage."

    Also left out from your own source:

    What about the stories that Warren claims to have heard from her family? The Globe interviewed an extensive list of the professor’s relatives, who had conflicting memories. Some recalled stories of Indian ancestors, others did not.

    One second cousin told the Globe that her grandmother had said that her father — one of Warren’s relatives — was part Delaware Indian. But the cousin’s mother, who did not approve of Native Americans, had always denied that claim, according to the Globe.

    Warren’s siblings have all backed up the candidate’s statements. One brother told the Globe that his grandparents explained to him, after much pleading to get answers as a child, that “your grandfather is part Delaware, a little bitty bit, way back, and your grandmother is part Cherokee,” according to the Globe.
    That sounds a lot like my family, actually. I'm Jewish, but there's a chunk of my family that is, believe it or not, extremely antisemitic, and will swear up and down it's not true at all. But that's families for you. So what have here is a clear case of he said/she said, but you're just automatically going for the narrative that fits your political ideology only. You literally have no basis whatsoever for choosing one side over the other. But like Birthers you'll just repeat it over and over again anyway, because politics.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I got to tell you, I am livid over what happened yesterday. When you consider, just about every Republican now serving in the House is there because of running on getting rid of Obamacare, cut government spending, and stop immigration reform before building the damn fence. Every Republican that voted yes yesterday broke all their campaign promises in one damn vote.

    The reason there isn't a damn fence built yet even though it was ordered to be built and funded prior to 2006 is because the Chamber of Commerce didn't want a fence. The Chamber of Commerce also wants amnesty for all their illegal workers they hire. The Chamber of Commerce has lobbied hard for amnesty and had done so with a lot of hard cash. Hope those Republicans who voted yes yesterday will be happy with the love the Chamber of Commerce will give them because that vote cost them a lot of love with their constituents. Hope they all enjoy their next two years in Washington and plan on spending a lot of money on their challenged primaries next time around. People aren't going to forget this one.
    Yep, yet another massive, pork laden, spending bill, that was not read by anyone, passes because time to actually govern is severely limited. You are likely wrong that people will remember this - mostly they will still snooze through the primaries and then vote straight party tickets in the general.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    I kinda find the complaints about republicans being anti obamacare in this context absurd. Not because I think they're wrong, but because unlike last time, they bit the gambit and left funding for that and the immigration action in place. So dammed if one does decide to force partisanship, and dammed if one doesn't.

    The way i see it, the situation so far looks like the reverse of roles with the budgeting compared to last time. Instead of Republicans it sounds like Democrats would rather shut the government down and refuse to compromise

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You literally have no basis whatsoever for choosing one side over the other.
    Warren also had no basis for choosing one side over the other but she did. And she made that choice, which was a lie, for obvious political and financial reasons.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, yet another massive, pork laden, spending bill, that was not read by anyone, passes because time to actually govern is severely limited. You are likely wrong that people will remember this - mostly they will still snooze through the primaries and then vote straight party tickets in the general.
    We shall see if I am wrong. There are a lot of folks out there ready to remind the voters how their congressperson voted. And I look to see many of them challenged in their primaries over it. Now there is a real possibility that before their term is up this time, the Supremes will have ruled on the case they have agreed to hear this coming Spring challenging federal funds being sent to states that did not set up market places. If the Supremes rules against the subsidies, Obamacare crumbles. Or something could come out of the case the House filed against Obama over legislating from the Oval office on Obamacare. There is already a bill that has passed the House calling for the fence to be built ASAP. Harry Reid shelved it sometime back. With the new Senate majority coming in this January, that will likely go to Obama's desk to be signed. If the fence gets built then Repubs take credit if Obama vetoes it could be real damning for Democrats politically as they are already warning of another huge insurgence of illegals from the South border.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Warren also had no basis for choosing one side over the other but she did. And she made that choice, which was a lie, for obvious political and financial reasons.
    It's her family, not yours, so you're not in a position to conclude anything. I have Jewish lineage but part of my family believes otherwise. Do you automatically take their side?

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