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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    she was absolutely correct in recognizing that commerce does not happen in an environment free of government participation
    share with us what kind of work you are engaged in and i will reply with an array of instances in which the government's actions facilitate your commercial activities, to illustrate that enterprise does not go it alone - without government involvement - when conducting business
    No, she is wrong and misleading, and probably knows it. And that's not what she was saying. If that's your response, then you are not even getting what she is trying to say, so maybe you should re-examine her statement.

    She is saying to her sycophantic followers that the people who built their own businesses owe a piece of what they worked for to her do-nothing, drag-on-society backers that are just looking for a bigger handout from big government socialists like her. She wants what they worked for. Getting it yet?

    Another thing you have backwards, we don't owe anything to government, we facilitate the government's existence, not the other way around, as you see it.

    Funny, how they don't owe a thing to those that work to make a better society.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And Boehner now owes Obama, Reid and Hoyer a pretty big favor going forward.
    Hopefully that means some peace in legislation next year.
    Also strangely silent this week was McConnell .
    How is it that Boehner now owes Obama, Reid and Hoyer? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Or is this what it appears to be, the collection of parts that could pass both houses?

    McConnell isn't a front man, he doesn't cherish the media spotlight. For sure that he was working on this behind the scenes.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Eorhn. Yeah I didn't like that rider with the Campaign finances which came out the Senate. We need that Senator's Name and then he needs to hear from the people about trying to rig the game anymore.

    Who do you think brought that lil piece of legislation that Harry Reid allowed thru? Who was trying to get the Demos some more money for their Elections?
    Hey MMC. Dunno. I'd like to know. If you find out, let me know.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, did the rider for campaign donations get put on in the House or Senate. Which again all should know that politicians name.
    The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

    In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1064080486
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

    In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1064080486

    1. Campaign finance contribution limits increased by 300%. The provision was negotiated by top aides for John Boehner and Harry Reid.....snip~

    So it falls on Boehner and Reid.....and their aides. Who worked out the details. Yeah we need to get their names too.

    So, Reid did get Senate terms in for that rider. Imagine that!

    I heard Cruz doesn't like the Bill. That's out the Gate so far.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    1. Campaign finance contribution limits increased by 300%. The provision was negotiated by top aides for John Boehner and Harry Reid.....snip~

    So it falls on Boehner and Reid.....and their aides. Who worked out the details. Yeah we need to get their names too.

    So, Reid did get Senate terms in for that rider. Imagine that!

    I heard Cruz doesn't like the Bill. That's out the Gate so far.
    I predict a bunch of grandstanding and posturing from both sides in the Senate, but ultimate passage and it being signed by the President.

    But the thing is, except for the usual "wait till the last minute", there appears to be give and take by both sides. That is quite refreshing after the "normal" action of Reid pigeon-holing legislation and Obama demagoguing Republicans.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Please allow me to interject here.

    The following article seems to be an objective look at this Dodd-Frank stuff that everyone is talking about. I think it'll clear up some misunderstandings.

    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/...n-budget-bill/
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Mycroft. Oh I have that one. But I did like this part from your link.
    . . . (snip due to ridiculously low post size limitation)
    My read of this leads me to believe that the banks are wanting to get back to gambling with derivatives again, and want to maintain their federal insurance backed by public money if they lose. The article states that derivatives are some sort of mechanism to diminish risk, yet, from this definition, it seems that it's little more than a way to place a bet.
    In finance, a derivative is a contract that derives its value from the performance of an underlying entity. This underlying entity can be an asset, index, or interest rate, and is often called the "underlying".[1][2] Derivatives can be used for a number of purposes - including insuring against price movements (hedging), increasing exposure to price movements for speculation or getting access to otherwise hard to trade assets or markets.[3]
    Some of the more common derivatives include forwards, futures, options, swaps, and variations of these such as collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, and mortgage backed securities. Most derivatives are traded over-the-counter (off-exchange) or on an exchange such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, while most insurance contracts have developed into a separate industry. Derivatives are one of the three main categories of financial instruments, the other two being equities (i.e. stocks or shares) and debt (i.e. bonds and mortgages).
    Derivative (finance) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I must be dense or something but I don't seen how derivatives manage risk here.

    Per the definition: "a derivative is a contract that derives its value from the performance of an underlying entity." It looks to me as a gambling venue.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

    In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1064080486
    From what I gather, the Senate will vote next week. If they dare change things, add more pork to win the votes needed, the word is it will be rejected in the House. But then again that might just be a lot of hot air.

    On a personal note, I feel betrayed that my representative voted yes for this thing that insures funding for Obamacare and Obama's EO amnesty. Two things my rep campaigned on stopping. And after a huge victory for Republicans just a month ago, they turn around and give Obama funding for what the people are against by majority. Obama doesn't need the Democrats, he has a good number of Republicans.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    From what I gather, the Senate will vote next week. If they dare change things, add more pork to win the votes needed, the word is it will be rejected in the House. But then again that might just be a lot of hot air.

    On a personal note, I feel betrayed that my representative voted yes for this thing that insures funding for Obamacare and Obama's EO amnesty. Two things my rep campaigned on stopping. And after a huge victory for Republicans just a month ago, they turn around and give Obama funding for what the people are against by majority. Obama doesn't need the Democrats, he has a good number of Republicans.
    Mornin V. Yeah I doubt Boehner will let it return as he has BO behind with pen ready.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    How am I being disingenuous? This conversation started when I pointed out that Obama was talking about how businesses benefit from collective problem solving and government investment. Which is 100% factual. You then started swearing at me and telling me I didn't understand conservatism.

    Either the services and infrastructure provided by government are useful businesses or they're not. Either your tax dollars are going towards services that you happily use, or they're being wasted. You can't have it both ways.
    And you assumed I promote anarchy with no taxes and other such nonsense. And I don't have to support every govt service, it's not all or nothing. Again with the black and white bull****.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin V. Yeah I doubt Boehner will let it return as he has BO behind with pen ready.
    I think there should be a campaign started now to have Boehner replaced as Speaker for what he has done. Sessions was fighting tooth and nail to stop the funding of Obama's amnesty. Boehner had to sway the Republicans on the committee along with few Democrats to get the thing passed out of committee for a floor vote. I wonder how much of the 1.1 trillion is pork directed to those committee members for their "yes" vote?

    I'm going to send an email to my rep today telling him what I think of his "yes" vote. But I have to wait till I calm down so the email doesn't read like,

    You piece of %&**^*##@ you lying *&^^^*$$%$.........
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