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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Dems will kill the bill, and they have some strange bedfellows in doing it..... The Tea Party, who also want to kill the bill, albeit for different reasons. It's why Boehner pulled the bill off the floor today. He doesn't have the votes to pass it.
    You spoke too soon, dude.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    67 Republicans voted no and 57 Democrats voted yes----219 to 206..
    Let's have more future bailouts .
    Ah. The beauty of bipartisanship. Boehner and BHO in alliance.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    TEAparty Republicans and Liberal Democrats hate the campaign finance changes and Wall Street giveaways at the last moment.
    Strange bedfellows indeed.

    On the DEM side, Warren and Pelosi versus Hoyer, Reid and Obama .

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    Sure it matters. You've called Warren a liar who appeals to low-information voters. Knowing who you (and people like you) support will give us a glimpse into lofty conservative standards.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    TEAparty Republicans and Liberal Democrats hate the campaign finance changes and Wall Street giveaways at the last moment.
    Strange bedfellows indeed.

    On the DEM side, Warren and Pelosi versus Hoyer, Reid and Obama .
    It will be interesting when Hillary is asked what she thinks.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you admit you don't know anything about the subprime loan quote of hers. Now please, wow us with your knowledge of this so-called lie regarding the manufactured Native American story.
    I concede nothing, wait til morning when I'm on my comp.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, you've lobbed vague insults, but nothing substantive.
    Now there's irony
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    67 Republicans voted no and 57 Democrats voted yes----219 to 206..
    Let's have more future bailouts .

    You don't have a problem with the 5 Trillion dollars of GSE debt that was shifted over the the Treasuries balance sheets when Fannie and Freddie were declared insolvent ?

    But TARP was a problem for you ?
    Most of TARP was payed back.

    Fannie and Freddies debt is being shifted over to the FEDs balance sheet and will continue to have detrimental repercussions for years to come.

    This is why Warren outside of Liberal circles is a laughing stock.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    TEAparty Republicans and Liberal Democrats hate the campaign finance changes and Wall Street giveaways at the last moment.
    Strange bedfellows indeed.

    On the DEM side, Warren and Pelosi versus Hoyer, Reid and Obama .
    Can you explain what the wall street giveaway in the bill is? The democratic congressman who sponsered it does not think it is a giveaway.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is incorrect about what she is saying? please point it out
    I'll just focus on the quote because I really don't feel like listening to her voice.

    “Now, the House of Representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful,” she continued. “The House is about to vote on a budget deal, a deal negotiated behind closed doors that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on Wall Street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system.”
    She's referring to Section 716 of Dodd Frank, which would require banks to book their derivatives in subsidiaries that are not their insured depository institutions and pushes these financial instruments outside of their banking operations. Reading her statements and listening to her words, she asserts (wrongly) that after this bill is passed, any financial institution will again be able to use any derivatives within their banking operations. However, 95% of derivatives are already not governed by Section 716 of Dodd Frank, which includes FOREX swaps, Cleared CDS and the more popular interest rate swaps. The only swaps you cannot used are equity/commodity derivatives and uncleared CDS.

    Also, forcing depository institutions not to use derivatives doesn't make the problem go away. The banks that heavily used derivatives, by notional amount, held 0 deposits at all, such as AIG, Lehman Brother, Goldman Sachs, just to name a few. Sure, if a bank like Citigroup (who lobbied for the provision) uses explodes using CDS, that hurts everyone, but that is going to happen whether this section 716 is on the books or not.

    And, I'm fairly certain Elizabeth Warren knows this. She was interviewed in the Documentary 'Inside Job' saying that she doesn't remember a single provision implemented in Dodd Frank that would actually help prevent another financial crisis. If I find the clip I'll show it, but she helped implement Dodd Frank. She must have known that it didn't completely eliminate swap trading, and she probably doesn't realise that swaps were mostly ultilised by investment banks and insurance companies, not depository institutions. So she is either clueless, or lying.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    67 Republicans voted no and 57 Democrats voted yes----219 to 206..
    Let's have more future bailouts .
    This bill does nothing to prevent future bailouts. If anything, the first bailout insures banks that you will always bail them out...

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