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    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.

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    The UN, as it is, needs to be disbanded.
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    Ain't gonna happen, sadly. But it should.
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    Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
    WTF?
    The constitution does not outlaw enhanced interrogation techniques.

    Enhanced interrogation is not done as punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    WTF?
    The constitution does not outlaw enhanced interrogation techniques.
    The idiocy of the semantic difference aside, explain how, in light of the report, the methods of the CIA are not cruel and unusual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The idiocy of the semantic difference
    Yes your post displays such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    explain how, in light of the report, the methods of the CIA are not cruel and unusual?
    Explain how enhanced interrogation was used as punishment which the Eighth Amendment was addressing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Explain how enhanced interrogation was used as punishment which the Eighth Amendment was addressing?
    Because it didn't yield useful information. It wasn't coercive, only punitive.

    But are you really suggesting that torture is acceptable when used that way? If it must be punitive, then isn't it permissible to torture you in order to get you to confess to a crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because it didn't yield useful information. It wasn't coercive, only punitive.
    That has already been disputed as false claim and it certainly wasn't what I addressed. So stop deflecting.
    And your attempt to ignore intent is absurd.
    It wasn't used as punishment which is what the Eighth Amendment addresses.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But are you really suggesting that torture is acceptable when used that way? If it must be punitive, then isn't it permissible to torture you in order to get you to confess to a crime?

    No.
    I am pointing out your Constitutional argument was unsound because it was not being used as punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That has already been disputed as false claim and it certainly wasn't what I addressed. So stop deflecting.
    And your attempt to ignore intent is absurd.
    It wasn't used as punishment which is what the Eighth Amendment addresses.
    Okay, so you're just going to lie. This part of the discussion is done.

    I am pointing out your Constitutional argument was unsound because it was not being used as punishment.
    Try to keep up. If torture is only impermissible if it is used purely for punishment, then why isn't alright to torture you for coercive purposes?
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