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UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

MrVicchio said:
Name a country with clean hands and history. YOU CANNOT ****ING DO IT. Is the USA perfect? Nope but people like you sit on a high horse deriding the country like there is a better option out there...
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Oh you are absolutely right! I completely agree.

Where the US stands head and shoulders above the other governments of the world is in their Hypocrisy Index Score. It's real high.

Spreading democracy around the world by way of military aggression and telling the rest of the world how the rule of law is operative in this country, and that we are exceptional because of that, while killing innocents with drones from California, while rendering and torturing people from all over the world, our hypocrisy is most apparent to the rest of the world.

No, we're not perfect, but we tell everybody we are God's Answer to what is wrong with the world. I find it disgusting.
 
Boo Radley said:
No one is touchy feely. But yeah, better. In the Book The Gamble our own general (I'd have to look up his name) stated clearly that we got better intel once we stopped with those techniques. I want this to be clear to you, the most effective techniques are neither torture nor touchy feely. Those are not the only two options.
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Discussing with you Joe can sometimes be an exercise in futility. It is frustrating to try and have an honest conversation with someone purposely trying to be so vague.

How's our intel today? You think it's fine or what?
 
Henry David said:
Oh you are absolutely right! I completely agree.

Where the US stands head and shoulders above the other governments of the world is in their Hypocrisy Index Score. It's real high.

Spreading democracy around the world by way of military aggression and telling the rest of the world how the rule of law is operative in this country, and that we are exceptional because of that, while killing innocents with drones from California, while rendering and torturing people from all over the world, our hypocrisy is most apparent to the rest of the world.

No, we're not perfect, but we tell everybody we are God's Answer to what is wrong with the world. I find it disgusting.
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Then move.
 
j-mac said:
Discussing with you Joe can sometimes be an exercise in futility. It is frustrating to try and have an honest conversation with someone purposely trying to be so vague.

How's our intel today? You think it's fine or what?
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What part of this don't you understand: But yeah, better.

Do I need to define better? Do you need to have defined that it improved after we stopped with the harsh tactics? you say the strangest things when you did simple direct answers.
 
Boo Radley said:
What part of this don't you understand: But yeah, better.

Do I need to define better? Do you need to have defined that it improved after we stopped with the harsh tactics? you say the strangest things when you did simple direct answers.
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Well, I think that anyone that believes that our intelligence under the Obama administration concerning AQ, and Radical Islamists, is deluding themselves...And I don't really think that either of us has the information to definitively say as you do that it has gotten "better".... That is just blind following what you choose to believe.

As for Obama stopping the harsh tatics...

"... there is no evidence of an Obama-era finding that directly controverts the Gloves Come Off memorandum. In fact, there is evidence that the Obama administration continues to operate under that finding (or did until at least 2012)."

Obama administration still operates under Bush torture memos | Al Jazeera America
 
j-mac said:
No...Because I think it is just Butt Stupid to stay somewhere that you obviously hate so much.
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In which case, given your hatred for Obama, it escapes me why you've remained so long, lol. Criticising US policy is American and if you don't like what you hear, perhaps you're the one that should remove yourself.
 
Montecresto said:
In which case, given your hatred for Obama, it escapes me why you've remained so long, lol. Criticising US policy is American and if you don't like what you hear, perhaps you're the one that should remove yourself.
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Disliking what Obama has done to this nation is one thing, but hating your own country as you so obviously do, quite another...In my case I know that Obama's time is limited, and thus all I have to do is wait and he'll be gone with his group of lying assholes...In your case, America will always be America....You can't wait it out.
 
j-mac said:
Well, I think that anyone that believes that our intelligence under the Obama administration concerning AQ, and Radical Islamists, is deluding themselves...And I don't really think that either of us has the information to definitively say as you do that it has gotten "better".... That is just blind following what you choose to believe.

As for Obama stopping the harsh tatics...

"... there is no evidence of an Obama-era finding that directly controverts the Gloves Come Off memorandum. In fact, there is evidence that the Obama administration continues to operate under that finding (or did until at least 2012)."

Obama administration still operates under Bush torture memos | Al Jazeera America
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I'm glad you used aljazeera. Use Fox next. ;)
 
Excon said:
WTF?
The constitution does not outlaw enhanced interrogation techniques.

Enhanced interrogation is not done as punishment.
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WTF?

Change the name and its legal?

Enhanced interrogation techniques are pain compliance...pain compliance is torture.

If its so cool, will you submit to a few hours of it?
 
j-mac said:
Oh, so now aljazeera is no good for you?....Hmmm, I need a liberal list of acceptable sourcing to keep up.
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No, I wouldn't call them the best source. Kind of like using Olbermann to say the Bush was bad.

But, by all means show me something specific reported by mainstream sources.
 
Boo Radley said:
What part of this don't you understand: But yeah, better.

Do I need to define better? Do you need to have defined that it improved after we stopped with the harsh tactics? you say the strangest things when you did simple direct answers.
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If there is a word that begs definition it is "better".

Better than what? and in whose opinion? It has no quantification and thus no measurement.

And what "improvement". This war began in one copuntry fifteen years ago and is now a war engulfing six countries with boots on the ground where no boots on the ground were promised.

Please pay attention, arguing better when you have actually LOST territory does not make your argument......it makes you look like a classic Gruber
 
j-mac said:
Well, I think that anyone that believes that our intelligence under the Obama administration concerning AQ, and Radical Islamists, is deluding themselves...And I don't really think that either of us has the information to definitively say as you do that it has gotten "better".... That is just blind following what you choose to believe.

As for Obama stopping the harsh tatics...

"... there is no evidence of an Obama-era finding that directly controverts the Gloves Come Off memorandum. In fact, there is evidence that the Obama administration continues to operate under that finding (or did until at least 2012)."

Obama administration still operates under Bush torture memos | Al Jazeera America
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There is no doubt in my mind that it didn't stop under Obama. He's just a puppet, like most of the others.
 
Torture is banned under the Geneva Conventions which the USA ratified.
 
Fearandloathing said:
If there is a word that begs definition it is "better".

Better than what? and in whose opinion? It has no quantification and thus no measurement.

And what "improvement". This war began in one copuntry fifteen years ago and is now a war engulfing six countries with boots on the ground where no boots on the ground were promised.

Please pay attention, arguing better when you have actually LOST territory does not make your argument......it makes you look like a classic Gruber
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I agree.

But the question was intel and not overall. And much of that has little to do with Obama but more the consequence of the original imperial act of invading countries for no valid reason.
 
Hard Truth said:
Torture is banned under the Geneva Conventions which the USA ratified.
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AQ, and like affiliates don't apply to the GC....If the UN want's to say that we violated our Convention obligations, let them enforce it....Come get some.
 
j-mac said:
A puppet of whom? {Insert Alex Jones here}
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Of people that I don't know. The people who advance an agenda by way of owning the government, or at least very skilled at having it work in their favor.

You know, the Powers That Be. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
I agree.

But the question was intel and not overall. And much of that has little to do with Obama but more the consequence of the original imperial act of invading countries for no valid reason.
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Who determines 'validity'? You?
 
Henry David said:
Of people that I don't know. The people who advance an agenda by way of owning the government, or at least very skilled at having it work in their favor.

You know, the Powers That Be. ;)
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heh, heh...The 'Powers that be' eh? So let's see, you think our government is steered by some mysterious, clandestine group of global oligarchs that dispense orders to the leaders of nations like a big game of Stratego eh? And whom are these mythical figures....Surely they must be known by someone?
 
j-mac said:
Who determines 'validity'? You?
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Not alone, but yes I can make that judgement. We all should make it and not merely accept whatever we want to believe. But as I've told you before, I don't use the poor sources used by many conservatives here. And the reason is because they are poor. They are often inaccurate. What matters to me is accuracy. it should matter to you as well.
 
j-mac said:
heh, heh...The 'Powers that be' eh? So let's see, you think our government is steered by some mysterious, clandestine group of global oligarchs that dispense orders to the leaders of nations like a big game of Stratego eh? And whom are these mythical figures....Surely they must be known by someone?
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I've already said JMAC--I don't know who they are. Are you going to ask me the same question next post?

But I do not doubt they exist--I know humans well enough. :lol:
 
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