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UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

matchlight said:
I don't accept your beloved report as accurate. The entire project is a crock, to use Vice-President Cheney's term, of crap.
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I can see where such denial would make you feel better, but there are other sources, especially on the two who died.
 
j-mac said:
Then why didn't Holder find anything to prosecute?
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He didn't really look. The decision was made not to go after a president on this type of thing. I disagree with that decision.
 
Conservative said:
Won't answer the question, will you Boo? Show us that liberal compassion for your own family?
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I've answered it before. I don't want anyone to do ineffective things as torture. I want them to use effective methods. Not only that, where is your limit? What is someone said, you have to rape this child or you family might die, will you go there? Don't you see how you're being played? Doing immoral ineffective brutality doesn't save anyone.
 
Conservative said:
Then have our troops sue their govt. for what you call illegal actions.
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Our troops? What do you mean? You want the people committing a crime to sue the government for their committing a crime?
 
Boo Radley said:
I've answered it before. I don't want anyone to do ineffective things as torture. I want them to use effective methods. Not only that, where is your limit? What is someone said, you have to rape this child or you family might die, will you go there? Don't you see how you're being played? Doing immoral ineffective brutality doesn't save anyone.
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My limit is to adhere to international law when it comes to foreign countries and the military in those countries, not terrorists. These people are animals and need to be treated as animals and no you didn't answer the question. What techniques would you condone to save a family member including your wife?
 
Deuce said:
Our troops? What do you mean? You want the people committing a crime to sue the government for their committing a crime?
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Our military is subjected to waterboarding as part of survival training so are you telling me that our military is using illegal techniques on our own troops? How about you answering the question what would you condone to save your wife, kids, or parents?
 
Conservative said:
My limit is to adhere to international law when it comes to foreign countries and the military in those countries, not terrorists. These people are animals and need to be treated as animals and no you didn't answer the question. What techniques would you condone to save a family member including your wife?
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When the US prosecuted American soldiers for waterboarding in VN, they did it under US law.

There are effective techniques. You can look them up. What we know about torture is that it is ineffective and wastes time. Therefore even less effective in ticking bomb type fictions.
 
Conservative said:
Our military is subjected to waterboarding as part of survival training so are you telling me that our military is using illegal techniques on our own troops? How about you answering the question what would you condone to save your wife, kids, or parents?
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I've addressed that before. They were not subjected to the same thing. So, you need to quit pretending they were.
 
Boo Radley said:
When the US prosecuted American soldiers for waterboarding in VN, they did it under US law.

There are effective techniques. You can look them up. What we know about torture is that it is ineffective and wastes time. Therefore even less effective in ticking bomb type fictions.
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That is your opinion, John Brennan, a liberal in Obama's Administration disagrees with you as does the former directors of the CIA including Clinton's in George Tenet
 
Boo Radley said:
I've addressed that before. They were not subjected to the same thing. So, you need to quit pretending they were.
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waterboarding does not leave physical or psychological damage and I know you are doing nothing but diverting from answering the question. What actions would you authorize to save your wife, kids, or parents?

I couldn't care less what we do with people who burn innocent people alive, authorize and organize flying airplanes into buildings, would detonate a nuclear device in your home town. Guess that is the difference between logic and common sense and you
 
"UN demands prosecutions for US torture"

*As an American, reads the headline*

Well... **** the UN, **** those officials, and **** the simple idea of the UN's existence.

I mean, look at China and Russia, members of the UN security council. One censors all free speech to the point of censoring the internet while the other has street vigilantes out and about murdering gay people like dogs.

At least enhanced interrogation has a use, and besides, **** the UN.
 
Conservative said:
Our military is subjected to waterboarding as part of survival training so are you telling me that our military is using illegal techniques on our own troops? How about you answering the question what would you condone to save your wife, kids, or parents?
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Utter nonsense. Troops playing at waterboarding is nothing like the real thing. That would require their being captured by an immoral enemy, with no hope of rescue, who don't care if you live or die. Even survival trainers aren't that bad.
Torture produces the answer that your victim believes you want to hear. Kind of like Limbaugh.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Utter nonsense. Troops playing at waterboarding is nothing like the real thing. That would require their being captured by an immoral enemy, with no hope of rescue, who don't care if you live or die. Even survival trainers aren't that bad.
Torture produces the answer that your victim believes you want to hear. Kind of like Limbaugh.
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You know who Gruber was talking about when he talked about the ignorance of the American electorate? You people are so naïve and poorly informed it is staggering. I am sick and tired of defending our military who has given over 320 million Americans the right to make a fool of yourself and demonize them at every turn and it was a military that saved your ass in WWII.
 
Conservative said:
You know who Gruber was talking about when he talked about the ignorance of the American electorate? You people are so naïve and poorly informed it is staggering. I am sick and tired of defending our military who has given over 320 million Americans the right to make a fool of yourself and demonize them at every turn and it was a military that saved your ass in WWII.
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You obviously believe you know where to insert your bloodied flag for best effect. You're wrong again.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You obviously believe you know where to insert your bloodied flag for best effect. You're wrong again.
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Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong but when wrong I admit it, unlike people like you. Tell me what law our military violated that you want to blame them for? Tell me who these people are that underwent what you called torture? Seems that people like you have no problem when Clinton defined "is" but have a problem when even your own group like Brennan define torture. It really is too bad that our military wouldn't pick and choose the British to actually save.
 
"The Ugly American" just won't go away, no matter how much we do for the stricken peoples of the world while other countries do nothing.
 
rhinefire said:
"The Ugly American" just won't go away, no matter how much we do for the stricken peoples of the world while other countries do nothing.
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He's infesting this thread, what do you expect? America does nothing that conflicts with it's own interests.
 
Deuce said:
Waterboarding is not "incidental to lawful sanctions."
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:doh
:lamo
:2rofll:
Did you read the previously provided Memo?
 
Conservative said:
Yet you never answer the question posed, what actions would you support to get information out of someone who knew the exact location and timing for an explosive device that would like members of your family? You give these animals way too much credit as if they are human. What country do they represent? When did they sign the Geneva Convention? What kind of person chops off the head of another, flies planes into buildings, blows themselves up in crowded restaurants? You want us to ask them kindly over coffee what their next plan is?
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You don't get it sir. I watched maybe 3 Jack Bauer episodes and found it insulted my intelligence. Those who live in his hypothetical world are in a make-believe world. I'll pass, thanks just the same.
 
Henry David said:
You don't get it sir. I watched maybe 3 Jack Bauer episodes and found it insulted my intelligence. Those who live in his hypothetical world are in a make-believe world. I'll pass, thanks just the same.
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Right, it wasn't hypothetical that terrorists flew planes into the WTC. What effort would you have done to prevent that? I suggest you learn to think instead of feeling all the time.
 
Boo Radley said:
The WH legal consul opinion on the matter is not a rebuttal to what I said. It was a legal opinion given to help the president make a poor decision. It is not a prosecutor's opinion, or a court ruling. So, I repeat, their unwillingness to prosecute isn't evidence he didn't break the law.
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Yes it is rebuttal that is on point.
There were no charges.
"An unwillingness" is nothing but your spin.
There were no charges and there will be no charges.


Boo Radley said:
And yes they did violate the law. As discussed earlier, waterboarding and stress positions have longer lasting harm than physical abuse.
So it meets the very parts you underlined. what was done to these people was worse than beatings. It will be with them longer.
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Wrong on all counts.


Boo Radley said:
And remember, one who died, the innocent taxi driver, died in a stress position, from being in that position.
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Wrong again.
He died because folks who were not authorized (as in acting on there own) severely battered his body and was left untreated.
He did not die because of being in that stress position as you want to lamely assert.

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But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend.

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A subsequent autopsy revealed that his legs had been "pulpified," and that even if Dilawar had survived, it would have been necessary to amputate his legs.[SUP][7][/SUP]

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Dilawar (torture victim) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​


Boo Radley said:
So again, you fail to rebut what I put forward.
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Wrong. You failed to counter the rebuttal and you can not. There were no charges and there will be no charges.
And the Memo is all that is needed.


Boo Radley said:
And no, the decision was made not to seek prosecution. No prosecutor made any determination. It was a political decision not to pursue it.
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You are again speaking nonsense.
So, as that is your claim. Prove it!

It is that simple. Prove what you assert.
 
Conservative said:
Right, it wasn't hypothetical that terrorists flew planes into the WTC. What effort would you have done to prevent that? I suggest you learn to think instead of feeling all the time.
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Heck, I think so much and feel so little that when I watched the news helicopters flying over Shanksville PA on that fateful day, I had the same questions the news guy talking had--where was the wrecked airliner? It wasn't there, and 13 years later we know what actually happened there.

Point is, there actually were no mythical hijackers that you refer to. Yes, airplanes DID fly into those towers, but they were drone aircraft controlled by wicked men working behind the scenes in what might best be described as the military industrial complex.

We were all deceived that day, and only about half of us now recognize that.

I would suggest you need to study a bit more and perhaps sharpen your analytical thinking skills. Things are not always as they appear.
 
Henry David said:
Heck, I think so much and feel so little that when I watched the news helicopters flying over Shanksville PA on that fateful day, I had the same questions the news guy talking had--where was the wrecked airliner? It wasn't there, and 13 years later we know what actually happened there.

Point is, there actually were no mythical hijackers that you refer to. Yes, airplanes DID fly into those towers, but they were drone aircraft controlled by wicked men working behind the scenes in what might best be described as the military industrial complex.

We were all deceived that day, and only about half of us now recognize that.

I would suggest you need to study a bit more and perhaps sharpen your analytical thinking skills. Things are not always as they appear.
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Oh, wow, Gruber was indeed right. How are things in Oz?
 
Henry David said:
You know better than I. :peace
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It really is amazing how big those drones were that flew into the WTC. Where were drones that big created? Guess the video was wrong, probably produced in Hollywood, right?
 
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