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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    What a ridiculous ignorant thing to say. We did not waterboard people just to do it, just because they were enemies. . . . . we did it to only three individuals in order to prevent the deaths of thousands more Americans. That is not stooping to their level, that is saving lives. And if pouring some water on some piece of sh*t Muslim Fascist will save American lives, then waterboard them all and the camels they rode in on.

    And by the way: Waterbioarding is not torture. We waterboard Nave SEAL during training. This whole subject is just anti-Bush derangement. First call waterboarding torture, then you can call Bush a criminal. Hardy har harr. Pure stupidity.
    Waterboarding, AKA the Drowning Torture, was considered torture when the Japanese did it. Last I checked no one claiming it isn't torture has volunteered to undergo it, despite some saying that they would. Having your fellow military personnel do it under supervision is not the same as the real thing. A We have no idea how many people have been tortured and/or killed by other nations as part of the renditions program. We do know that innocent people have been tortured.

    Waterboarding is not the only form of torture used by the USA. A few people have died from our torture. There is a reason why they are doing all or most of the torture outside the USA's territory-otherwise it is a criminal act. Torture and murder is considered fun by many of the people who do it, that is why it nearly always is done to more and more people over time under every cruel dictatorship.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Waterboarding, AKA the Drowning Torture, was considered torture when the Japanese did it......
    So we are are like the Japs? They attacked and conquered and tortured to gain, we waterboadred to save lives. . . are you that STUPID, you can't see how IGNORANT your comparison is?

    Your brains is fried. I'll bet money right now that you smoke dope. That would explain your stupidity

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    So we are are like the Japs? They attacked and conquered and tortured to gain, we waterboadred to save lives. . . are you that STUPID, you can't see how IGNORANT your comparison is?

    Your brains is fried. I'll bet money right now that you smoke dope. That would explain your stupidity
    LOL.

    I'm amazed that someone could write the above and still have the cognitive ability to type.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
    Does no one else see the irony in a Jordanian prince heading a human rights body and having the audacity to lecture a modern liberal democracy on the subject?

    http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014...hapters/jordan

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL.

    I'm amazed that someone could write the above and still have the cognitive ability to type.
    The japanese filled their victims with water until their stomachs descended and then kicked and beat them in he belly with sticks, that was there version of waterboarding, it's not the same thing.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The US constitution prohibits torture.
    WTF?
    The constitution does not outlaw enhanced interrogation techniques.

    Enhanced interrogation is not done as punishment.
    WTF?

    Change the name and its legal?

    Enhanced interrogation techniques are pain compliance...pain compliance is torture.

    If its so cool, will you submit to a few hours of it?
    I see you are not paying attention to what has been said.
    1. A specific and false argument was made.
    The Constitution does not prohibit torture for interrogation purposes. It only prohibits torture as punishment for a crime.

    As previously provided.

    INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
    430 U.S. 651

    (1977)
    1. [...]


    [...]

    (a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court
    make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment
    was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.

    [...]


    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    And if you do not understand what the U.S. stands for in the above site reference. It is a U.S. Supreme Court decision.


    2. And it is not a name change. The techniques were for interrogation purposes and purposely designed not to run afoul of the law.
    They were even investigated and no charges followed.


    So you either understand or you do not.





    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Torture is banned under the Geneva Conventions which the USA ratified.
    Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
    They were investigated and no charges came from it.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture



    The UN making demands....

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you are not paying attention to what has been said.
    1. A specific and false argument was made.
    The Constitution does not prohibit torture for interrogation purposes. It only prohibits torture as punishment for a crime.

    As previously provided.

    INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
    430 U.S. 651

    (1977)
    1. [...]


    [...]

    (a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court
    make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment
    was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.

    [...]


    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    And if you do not understand what the U.S. stands for in the above site reference. It is a U.S. Supreme Court decision.


    2. And it is not a name change. The techniques were for interrogation purposes and purposely designed not to run afoul of the law.
    They were even investigated and no charges followed.


    So you either understand or you do not.





    Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
    They were investigated and no charges came from it.


    And I see that you still have not learned proper discourse and debate.

    I figure anyone who can't ever reply to a post without a personal insult in the first line isn't really up on ****.....

    I do not care that your constitution which is pretty much a joke prevents or allows anything. I do not care that you people and especially your president change the name of things to get away with anything they want......

    It is though a matter of morality and conscience. based on the hurling of insults, your president, It's pretty clear there is no character and soon, your leaders will be justifying genocide because they can.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And I see that you still have not learned proper discourse and debate.
    Wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I figure anyone who can't ever reply to a post without a personal insult in the first line isn't really up on ****.....

    Pointing out that you had not paid attention is not a personal insult. It is factual.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I do not care that your constitution which is pretty much a joke prevents or allows anything. I do not care that you people and especially your president change the name of things to get away with anything they want......
    Irrelevance accompanied by a false statement.
    The argument you jumped into was about torture and the Constitution. If you do not care what the Constitution says then you should have stayed out of that specific argument.
    I even went as far as to point out to others what argument they should be making, one of Law/Treaty. But of course those who are biased never pay attention to such recommendations.
    But even then the techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It is though a matter of morality and conscience.

    No, it is a matter of law.
    The techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
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    Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
    They were investigated and no charges came from it.
    Torture was investigated by the same people who were involved in the practice. When the Senate tried to investigate information was withheld, yet they still concluded that there was illegal torture. The Obama administration granted to defacto amnesty to the Bush administration for their law breaking when it was decided that they would not investigater.

    If any of the defenders of waterboarding are willing to undergo it, I'll help with making arrangements.

    Another challenge: name a nation that tortures where it has worked out well. (well=it is a nation with liberty, justice and equality under the law and the people are not in fear of government tyranny)

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