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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Disliking what Obama has done to this nation is one thing, but hating your own country as you so obviously do, quite another...In my case I know that Obama's time is limited, and thus all I have to do is wait and he'll be gone with his group of lying assholes...In your case, America will always be America....You can't wait it out.
    Actually, if people continue to justify American aggression, intrigue, intervention, nation building, CIA atrocities, and the like, then that part of America may well remain the same. I can't see the harm in pressing for better though. And stop calling me anti-American, un patriotic and the rest of your personal insults. I don't do that to you. You just finished calling Obama and all his supporters lying assholes, that's your prerogative as an American and much as I think that that broad brush defamation is inaccurate, I don't deny you the right to speak it. Come on j, we've had these discussions in the past. Defend and justify US heavy-handedness all you wish and dispense with the name calling.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not alone, but yes I can make that judgement.
    Oh, I wasn't aware that you were a foreign affairs expert....What are your qualifications in that area?

    1.) We all should make it 2.) and not merely accept whatever we want to believe.
    1.) If you are talking about arriving at a personal opinion then sure, why not....Everyone has an opinion, they are like rear ends, and most of them stink.

    2.) You couch your qualification to make a judgement in justification of holding an opinion, then in the same sentence talk about basing that on which one believes? Are you serious? pfft.

    But as I've told you before, I don't use the poor sources used by many conservatives here.
    I certainly wouldn't expect a died in the wool liberal progressive to use anything other than sources that confirm their own biases...You are no different.

    And the reason is because they are poor.
    No, the reason is because YOU BELIEVE they are poor....

    They are often inaccurate.
    No, YOU BELIEVE they are often inaccurate...

    What matters to me is accuracy.
    I would believe that if it were ever demonstrated.

    it should matter to you as well.
    Overall, I believe it does, as much as you think it does for you.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I've already said JMAC--I don't know who they are. Are you going to ask me the same question next post?

    But I do not doubt they exist--I know humans well enough.
    Sorry, I prefer to not live in the Twilight Zone....
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    AQ, and like affiliates don't apply to the GC....If the UN want's to say that we violated our Convention obligations, let them enforce it....Come get some.
    Do the Geneva Conventions documents actually say that AQ, and like affiliates are exempt from the protection they provide for POWs?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Do the Geneva Conventions documents actually say that AQ, and like affiliates are exempt from the protection they provide for POWs?
    Actually, there is language in there that addresses non state aggressors....the interpretation of which is still argued today....But, the fact remains, throwing the GC up at the US while remaining silent on the terrorists depravity, and lawlessness is a tactic of propaganda of our enemies, and means that you either support our enemies, or are a dhimmi. Which is it?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Waterboard the UN



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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I wasn't aware that you were a foreign affairs expert....What are your qualifications in that area?
    Didn't say I was. I'm a source expert, educated to evaluate sources.

    1.) If you are talking about arriving at a personal opinion then sure, why not....Everyone has an opinion, they are like rear ends, and most of them stink.

    2.) You couch your qualification to make a judgement in justification of holding an opinion, then in the same sentence talk about basing that on which one believes? Are you serious? pfft.
    Opinions are not equal. They are only as strong as their reasoning and their support. The better the reasoning and support, the better the opinion.


    I certainly wouldn't expect a died in the wool liberal progressive to use anything other than sources that confirm their own biases...You are no different.
    Do you ever recognize your pot to kettle statements? However, the one who uses accurate sources.


    No, the reason is because YOU BELIEVE they are poor....
    No, because they are poor, as I've shown to you many are inaccurate.


    No, YOU BELIEVE they are often inaccurate...
    No, they have proven to be inaccurate.


    I would believe that if it were ever demonstrated.
    You should pay attention better.

    Overall, I believe it does, as much as you think it does for you.
    I wish you would show it more than and use accurate sources.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't say I was. I'm a source expert, educated to evaluate sources.



    Opinions are not equal. They are only as strong as their reasoning and their support. The better the reasoning and support, the better the opinion.




    Do you ever recognize your pot to kettle statements? However, the one who uses accurate sources.




    No, because they are poor, as I've shown to you many are inaccurate.




    No, they have proven to be inaccurate.




    You should pay attention better.



    I wish you would show it more than and use accurate sources.

    A very well articulated response!!!
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, there is language in there that addresses non state aggressors....the interpretation of which is still argued today....But, the fact remains, throwing the GC up at the US while remaining silent on the terrorists depravity, and lawlessness is a tactic of propaganda of our enemies, and means that you either support our enemies, or are a dhimmi. Which is it?
    I could waste my breath going on about how awful terrorists are but there's no point. Just because others in the world act badly doesn't mean that the USA should stoop to their level. As long as we hold ourselves up as a model of democracy and rule of law we should behave accordingly. We fought WWII without torturing prisoners, and the USA's POWS captured by Germany were spared torture as a result. My proposed solution for those extremely rare ticking time bomb scenarios when torture may be justified is to allow the decision to be made and carried out, but putting the people involved on trial (a real trial) to determine if a judge and jury considers their decision justifiable considering the circumstances.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    .. . . . Just because others in the world act badly doesn't mean that the USA should stoop to their level.. . . . .
    What a ridiculous ignorant thing to say. We did not waterboard people just to do it, just because they were enemies. . . . . we did it to only three individuals in order to prevent the deaths of thousands more Americans. That is not stooping to their level, that is saving lives. And if pouring some water on some piece of sh*t Muslim Fascist will save American lives, then waterboard them all and the camels they rode in on.

    And by the way: Waterbioarding is not torture. We waterboard Nave SEAL during training. This whole subject is just anti-Bush derangement. First call waterboarding torture, then you can call Bush a criminal. Hardy har harr. Pure stupidity.

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