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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes, certainly, the US is the very paragon of High Moral Character.
    Name a country with clean hands and history. YOU CANNOT ****ING DO IT. Is the USA perfect? Nope but people like you sit on a high horse deriding the country like there is a better option out there...
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Did you see the Jordanian pilot get lit on fire. Call me when the US does that, till then, go pound sand.
    We hurled napalm on children in Vietnam. We drop drone bombs on children right now. I'm sure some of them die from burns.

    But either way, using others' transgressions to excuse your own is the height of moral cowardice. We need to take the moral high ground and be as unlike our foes as we can, not rush to embrace their ways.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We hurled napalm on children in Vietnam. We drop drone bombs on children right now. I'm sure some of them die from burns.

    But either way, using others' transgressions to excuse your own is the height of moral cowardice. We need to take the moral high ground and be as unlike our foes as we can, not rush to embrace their ways.
    Yeah. its called war. notice the nicer we are the more we lose?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll just say, you tell me today, under your touchy/feely, kinder/gentler approach under the sypathizer n chief, how's our intel today? Better? or worse?
    No one is touchy feely. But yeah, better. In the Book The Gamble our own general (I'd have to look up his name) stated clearly that we got better intel once we stopped with those techniques. I want this to be clear to you, the most effective techniques are neither torture nor touchy feely. Those are not the only two options.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
    This is of course why the US is conveniently not a party to the ICC.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Name a country with clean hands and history. YOU CANNOT ****ING DO IT. Is the USA perfect? Nope but people like you sit on a high horse deriding the country like there is a better option out there...
    Oh you are absolutely right! I completely agree.

    Where the US stands head and shoulders above the other governments of the world is in their Hypocrisy Index Score. It's real high.

    Spreading democracy around the world by way of military aggression and telling the rest of the world how the rule of law is operative in this country, and that we are exceptional because of that, while killing innocents with drones from California, while rendering and torturing people from all over the world, our hypocrisy is most apparent to the rest of the world.

    No, we're not perfect, but we tell everybody we are God's Answer to what is wrong with the world. I find it disgusting.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one is touchy feely. But yeah, better. In the Book The Gamble our own general (I'd have to look up his name) stated clearly that we got better intel once we stopped with those techniques. I want this to be clear to you, the most effective techniques are neither torture nor touchy feely. Those are not the only two options.
    Discussing with you Joe can sometimes be an exercise in futility. It is frustrating to try and have an honest conversation with someone purposely trying to be so vague.

    How's our intel today? You think it's fine or what?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Oh you are absolutely right! I completely agree.

    Where the US stands head and shoulders above the other governments of the world is in their Hypocrisy Index Score. It's real high.

    Spreading democracy around the world by way of military aggression and telling the rest of the world how the rule of law is operative in this country, and that we are exceptional because of that, while killing innocents with drones from California, while rendering and torturing people from all over the world, our hypocrisy is most apparent to the rest of the world.

    No, we're not perfect, but we tell everybody we are God's Answer to what is wrong with the world. I find it disgusting.
    Then move.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    [QUOTE=j-mac;1064277917]Then move.[/QUOT


    Why should I move?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Discussing with you Joe can sometimes be an exercise in futility. It is frustrating to try and have an honest conversation with someone purposely trying to be so vague.

    How's our intel today? You think it's fine or what?
    What part of this don't you understand: But yeah, better.

    Do I need to define better? Do you need to have defined that it improved after we stopped with the harsh tactics? you say the strangest things when you did simple direct answers.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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