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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes your post displays such.

    Explain how enhanced interrogation was used as punishment which the Eighth Amendment was addressing?
    "If you don't give me the information I need I am going to waterboard you." Sounds like punishment to me.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    "If you don't give me the information I need I am going to waterboard you." Sounds like punishment to me.
    This would be you not understanding the totality of what has been said.
    Punishment as addressed applies only to punishment for a crime.
    Enhanced interrogation is not punishment for a crime. It isn't even punishment, but a method to extract information.


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    INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
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    (a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court
    make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment
    was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.

    [...]


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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The ends do not justify the means. Your line of reasoning is horrific, monstrous.
    You would let your family die, before you killed the person(s) that was endangering their lives?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You would let your family die, before you killed the person(s) that was endangering their lives?
    You're not arguing coherently at all. What you're describing now is a person actively endangering others. Get your act together.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're not arguing coherently at all. What you're describing now is a person actively endangering others. Get your act together.
    Ok...and?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is a false debate. We knew the answer to this in the past. Bush just pretended we didn't know and the willing pretended with him.

    Yes. And we prosecuted Americans for doing this before.
    Yes, the innocent cab driver died IN PART due to a stress position. It's torture.
    Odd phrasing, but extreme heat and cold is torture, yes.
    Yes, of course.
    Yes.
    being silly now, but yes.
    Yes.
    You're just being silly here and you know it.
    These have no real purpose and just looking to incite resistance. More just stupid than torture.
    Back to silly agian.


    You operate from a false premise. It is not tying our hands to do what is effective over what isn't. And you can't excuse immorality by throwing out the faulty claim of tying our hands. Torture is first and foremost, immoral. Secondly, it is ineffective. There is virtually no reason to do other than you want to do evil and harm to another human being.
    Aw Bull****....Some of those things I was being purposely silly to highlight how silly YOUR position is. Look, in your post you went as far as to actually say that "yelling" was torture to you....that "lights" were torture....According to you, anything short of asking them pretty please is torture....I don't know how you expect to ever gain intelligence.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw Bull****....Some of those things I was being purposely silly to highlight how silly YOUR position is. Look, in your post you went as far as to actually say that "yelling" was torture to you....that "lights" were torture....According to you, anything short of asking them pretty please is torture....I don't know how you expect to ever gain intelligence.
    Then you failed. The entire torture is OK argument from your side is silly to begin with. Yelling and lights are in that they are used to deprive someone of sleep, and that is where the torture comes in. Not that doing them at all, but how it is actually used.

    And no, I repeat, there are very accepted and reliable measures to take that don't involve the unreliable method of torture.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then you failed. The entire torture is OK argument from your side is silly to begin with. Yelling and lights are in that they are used to deprive someone of sleep, and that is where the torture comes in. Not that doing them at all, but how it is actually used.

    And no, I repeat, there are very accepted and reliable measures to take that don't involve the unreliable method of torture.
    I'll just say, you tell me today, under your touchy/feely, kinder/gentler approach under the sypathizer n chief, how's our intel today? Better? or worse?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The idiocy of the semantic difference aside, explain how, in light of the report, the methods of the CIA are not cruel and unusual?
    Did you see the Jordanian pilot get lit on fire. Call me when the US does that, till then, go pound sand.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Did you see the Jordanian pilot get lit on fire. Call me when the US does that, till then, go pound sand.
    Yes, certainly, the US is the very paragon of High Moral Character.

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