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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are speaking from experience I see.
    Since you are, I would suggest you stop getting mired here.


    And again.
    What the CIA did was designed not to run afoul of the law, and was found legally permissible.
    Do you really not understand that?
    I care not if you or others do not like that. The interrogation methods, as officially conducted were not torture.


    As the interrogation methods were designed not to run afoul of the law and a memo was issued saying they didn't. He did nothing illegal to be prosecuted for.



    No it wasn't. It was all legal.
    Did you know that it was legal to return escaped slaves back into slavery?

    That is, it was ILLEGAL to assist any slave in escaping.

    What do you suppose Aristotle would have said about that? Pure reason guided by immorality?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Did you know that it was legal to return escaped slaves back into slavery?

    That is, it was ILLEGAL to assist any slave in escaping.

    What do you suppose Aristotle would have said about that? Pure reason guided by immorality?

    Irrelevant argument.
    Nor can you change what was or wasn't legal legal at that point in time.
    Just as you can not change the fact that at the moment in time the interrogation methods were not illegal.



    And before you you make the same mistake twice, you might want to check out a person's position on a topic before speaking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Irrelevant argument.
    Nor can you change what was or wasn't legal legal at that point in time.
    Just as you can not change the fact that at the moment in time the interrogation methods were not illegal.



    And before you you make the same mistake twice, you might want to check out a person's position on a topic before speaking out.

    Aristotle on Slavery
    Let's see--in Aristotle's time the earth was seen as the center of the universe wasn't it? Or did he come after they discovered the solar system?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Let's see--in Aristotle's time the earth was seen as the center of the universe wasn't it? Or did he come after they discovered the solar system?
    More irrelevancy. Figures.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    You're special, Excon.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You're special, Excon.
    You making a morality argument in a discussion of legality would indicate you are actually speaking of yourself.
    Your inability to refrain from posting irrelevancies and focus on me rather than the topic, just confirms you are actually speaking of yourself.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You making a morality argument in a discussion of legality would indicate that by a fair measure, are far more special than I. Derp!
    Whether feigned or genuine, you do not know the difference between right and wrong.

    If you're into the bible, consider Paul's words in Corinthians, the letter of the law brings death, the spirit of the law brings life.

    I hope nobody pays you for legal services rendered.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Whether feigned or genuine, you do not know the difference between right and wrong.
    And again you are demonstrating for all that you know not of what you speak.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Let's not derail this thread. You know how to get to CT threads.

    You advised me to think more and emote less. I answered that. The rational person must ask "where's Waldo?" I mean where's the damn airplane that is supposed to be there? Is this like The Emperor's New Clothes?
    Well, as far as derailing the thread, YOU made the assertion that Cheney was in the VP offices with a joy stick killing Americans, that is out there Henry....But, again you fail to answer the question. If the planes were "drones", what about the people on those flights? Where are they?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Find any record of anyone even looking at it.




    Because I know a little more about cause and effect. I don't limit my rerading:

    Dilawar and Habibullah died, in part, because they were hooded and shackled to the wire mesh ceiling of their holding cells for hours at a time so that the blood flowed to their legs, turning peroneal strikes into death blows. But the illegal practice of overhead shackling was not the work of bad apples. It was routine at Bagram. It was policy.

    Killing Wussification - The Atlantic

    And if you have been paying attention, after this came to light, they started limiting these stress positions.







    No, not one bit. Something isn't only wrong when someone is charged. It's wrong because it is wrong.



    No, much wrong happens that reasons other than guilt or innocence leads to charges or no charges. The question has nothing to do with whether charges have or have not been filed.

    The outright dishonesty of your claims here is beyond credulity....In the Dilawar case several people were in fact tried by Military court, and plead guilty of mistreating him....The fact that you want higher people held accountable is up to the Atty. Gen. to do, and Holder took three years and investigated, he said he didn't find enough evidence to go forward, and you turn that into a lack of willingness...That is a straight up lie. Period.

    Habibullah is much the same thing. People were indicted, and prosecuted, plus in this case the Capt. in charge was charged with dereliction, and making false statements....The fact that you want to take the MSNBC's darling, Larry Wilkerson's word, and the MSNBC track of hoping out loud for Bush, or Cheney to "be frog marched across the WH lawn in cuffs" will just have to remain an unrealized dream of yours. Too bad for you...BTW...You know that Habibullah was the brother of a Taliban commander right...Not hardly an "Innocent bystander as you claim.

    This is why this is a dumb argument to have with people like you Joe...You will never be honest about it, therefore, it is pointless to argue with you about it....
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