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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
    The Constitution doesn't prohibit torture of enemy combatants, but it does guarantee due process. Which parts of The Constitution do you suggest we ignore, to prosecute people?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Definitely should happen. People foolishly think anyone at guantanamo was a terrorist, but roughly half were released within a year, and were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, when they were accosted, kidnapped, denied due process and in many cases tortured before release.

    If the "Justice" department won't do its job and uphold basic principles of human dignity, i'm all for returning the favor and the UN hiring foreign agents to come here, arrest and move these CIA agents to another country for prosecution. Something akin to the nuremburg trials could begin in earnest


    Simple choice.....torture a terrorist to save a multitude of peoples lives. Which will it be. No torture or let a great many people die. Its like the NFL referee. You make the Call! Which is it?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Constitution doesn't prohibit torture of enemy combatants, but it does guarantee due process. Which parts of The Constitution do you suggest we ignore, to prosecute people?
    I wonder if Pasch would like to put Obama in Gitmo for his drone strikes.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Witch hunt. Pure and simple from a scorned administration looking to hurt as many people as possible on the way out to the trash heap of history.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
    Please point to the part of the constitution that prohibits it.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder if Pasch would like to put Obama in Gitmo for his drone strikes.
    When the leftists come with that preaching of morality. Which is a joke initself. Just give them that choice.....torture a terrorist to save a great many lives. What will they do. Let all the people die or torture the terrorist. Choice is on them.

    Lets see what they are about.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because it didn't yield useful information. It wasn't coercive, only punitive.

    But are you really suggesting that torture is acceptable when used that way? If it must be punitive, then isn't it permissible to torture you in order to get you to confess to a crime?
    Mornin Paschendale. That's BS. The program yielded far more results than the excuse on a few cases that didn't. You didn't actually believe that BS report put out by the Democrats for political purposes now, did you?


    Here the Matter is, simple like.....would you torture a terrorist or let a multitude of people die? Choice is on you!
    I'm going to disagree with both of you. I don't buy Paschendale's point in the sense that I believe it was intended to produce results. I do not buy that it was done for punitive purposes. Having said that, I do not believe it worked, either. When tortured, people will often tell their tormentors what they want to hear just to make it stop. Happens in police interrogation rooms across the country, too, when psychological interrogation techniques are used.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    Except that will never happen because the POTUS and the DOD have already granted "immunity" by proxy to all the criminals prior to the POTUS' admission that "we tortured some folks". In legal terms this is known as "depraved indifference", which is tantamount to complicity. The Nuremburg Principles, for which the US had a major role and is a signatory, does not have any provision for granting immunity and makes it very clear that all involved, including those in positions of power who protect others who commit crimes against humanity are complicit.
    I'm sorry but I just can't elevate the act of waterboarding to "crimes against humanity" status.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm going to disagree with both of you. I don't buy Paschendale's point in the sense that I believe it was intended to produce results. I do not buy that it was done for punitive purposes. Having said that, I do not believe it worked, either. When tortured, people will often tell their tormentors what they want to hear just to make it stop. Happens in police interrogation rooms across the country, too, when psychological interrogation techniques are used, too.

    Mornin Radcen. Yes people will often tell others what it is they want to hear. This does not mean they do not give out information or that the info is false. It may not pan out, it might be nothing. But the results did gain something. Even if but a name. Even to include whether the one caught is even part of the game.

    Still.....the left is all of a sudden worried about Morals. So again.....put that choice out there to them. Torture a terrorist to save many lives. Either they let the many die to not torture. Or they will torture to save lives.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    When the leftists come with that preaching of morality. Which is a joke initself. Just give them that choice.....torture a terrorist to save a great many lives. What will they do. Let all the people die or torture the terrorist. Choice is on them.

    Lets see what they are about.
    The guy in charge of the program came on TV and said a grand total of 3 people were waterboarded. I think the people that did this really thought they had to get the information, because they thought al Qaeda was going to attack and/or they were trying to find OBL. Were they not following orders that were deemed legal by the Justice Dept?
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