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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'd like to see those who oversaw and participated in those crimes put on trial.

    My guess is that many Christmases will go by before that happens.
    Unless European and International Courts suddenly display integrity and courage in the rule of law, it will never happen.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again irrelevant to this topic.
    It was abuse by the individuals and they were prosecuted for it.
    Matters not one bit if you agree or disagree with the outcome.
    It was not the governement acting, but individuals.


    All irrelevant to this topic.
    The Government did not do this.
    Do you really not know the difference?


    Still irrelevant.
    Soldiers acting on their own were not acting on behalf of the Government.
    You were the one who said they were not an idiot but are having trouble distinguishing between the bad acts of a few and those of the Government. Why is that?


    Rectal feeding was done by the Government and it was not torture or abuse.
    I've been posting on the internet for many years now, but I must admit that your post here is the best demonstration I have ever seen of a person absolutely in denial.

    What happened and was documented at Bagram is irrelevant? Wow!

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Unless European and International Courts suddenly display integrity and courage in the rule of law, it will never happen.
    There are no international courts that have jurisdiction in these few cases, as far as I know. But I would certainly go with shrubnose and call for prosecution of the cases, where the law was actually broken. This would be much easier, if the human rights activists would show some intelligence and get their definition straight. They will never win this one by calling hard conditions torture and equivalating Gitmo with Auschwitz. That is counterproductive and stupid.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you forget Holder and his Team thought the same? Why didn't Holder come up with anything with his thorough investigation? Why couldn't the Justice Dept bring any criminal charges?
    The Obama administration likely has several deals in place w/the corporations and lobbyists who run Congress, and although the arrest and prosecution of cheney (also an influential lobbyist) is among the cards in Obama's hand (compliments of cheney's explicit confession that he violated US law), he won't play it unless he needs to.

    That's how politics works.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There are no international courts that have jurisdiction in these few cases, as far as I know. But I would certainly go with shrubnose and call for prosecution of the cases, where the law was actually broken. This would be much easier, if the human rights activists would show some intelligence and get their definition straight. They will never win this one by calling hard conditions torture and equivalating Gitmo with Auschwitz. That is counterproductive and stupid.
    Indeed, AIPAC outguns Amnesty Int'l 100000-1 in terms of lobbying $$ spent.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There are no international courts that have jurisdiction in these few cases, as far as I know. But I would certainly go with shrubnose and call for prosecution of the cases, where the law was actually broken. This would be much easier, if the human rights activists would show some intelligence and get their definition straight. They will never win this one by calling hard conditions torture and equivalating Gitmo with Auschwitz. That is counterproductive and stupid.
    You may already know, but in 2009 at a court in Kuala Lampur, in accordance with international legal procedures, led by the US law professor Francis Boyle, Bush, Cheney and a few others I think, were convicted of war crimes IN ABSENTIA. All international procedures were followed, the defendants refused to participate, evidence was presented and a conviction was returned.

    Point is, pretending that crimes did NOT occur is extremely silly, almost to the point of delusion, ESPECIALLY with the release of the Senate report recently. Even in 2008 General Antonio Taguba stated on the record: "There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. ("We tortured some folks") The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held accountable."

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    You mean the tortures (the word is used all over the place in the Senate report), some that resulted in death. Right.
    You are speaking of political grandstanding which means nothing.
    What they term it means absolutely nothing.
    Again.
    The interrogation methods were designed to not run afoul of the law.
    The Justice department investigated the "interrogation methods" (their words), no charges followed.

    So as you were told.
    Without any trial(s) all you have is opinion that torture happened. Nothing more than that.
    You can argue your opinion until you are blue in the face and still no one will be charged.

    And there will be no prosecutions for torture as the statute of limitations is long passed.
    Nor are we party to the ICC, nor should we be.

    So do you want to keep going around in circles making no point?
    Or do you have something relevant to add?





    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I've been posting on the internet for many years now, but I must admit that your post here is the best demonstration I have ever seen of a person absolutely in denial.

    What happened and was documented at Bagram is irrelevant? Wow!
    You read what you want.
    Her claims just, like yours previously, have not been supported, nor could they be.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are speaking of political grandstanding which means nothing.
    What they term it means absolutely nothing.
    Again.
    The interrogation methods were designed to not run afoul of the law.
    The Justice department investigated the "interrogation methods" (their words), no charges followed.

    So as you were told.
    Without any trial(s) all you have is opinion that torture happened. Nothing more than that.
    You can argue your opinion until you are blue in the face and still no one will be charged.

    And there will be no prosecutions for torture as the statute of limitations is long passed.
    Nor are we party to the ICC, nor should we be.

    So do you want to keep going around in circles making no point?
    Or do you have something relevant to add?






    You read what you want.
    Her claims just, like yours previously, have not been supported, nor could they be.
    I've made the point sufficiently well that you seem obsessed. That's cool.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I've made the point sufficiently well that you seem obsessed. That's cool.
    You have made no valid point.
    Funny that you think you have.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are speaking of political grandstanding which means nothing.
    No, I was speaking about torture and murder by torture, which I understand means nothing to you.

    What they term it means absolutely nothing.
    To you, you've already made that clear.

    Without any trial(s) all you have is opinion that torture happened.
    No, we have documented evidence, admissions and eyewitness accounts. The mentality is so twisted. As an analogy, when you see a body riddled with bullets, do you need a trial to know a murder took place?

    there will be no prosecutions for torture as the statute of limitations is long passed.
    There will likely be no prosecutions in the US, however that's not the reason. There are no statute of limitations for war crimes or murder.

    do you want to keep going around in circles making no point?
    The only one not making any points is you. But you're right about those circles, discussing the issue with someone who clearly denies torture and war crimes is a waste of time.

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