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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The CIA report said a lot more things than just waterboarding occurred...
    But the key is just how much of the "other things" are torture?... I mean, I've seen some people describe yelling at someone as such...It is getting ridiculous.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But the key is just how much of the "other things" are torture?... I mean, I've seen some people describe yelling at someone as such...It is getting ridiculous.
    Documented cases of rape occurred at Abu Ghraib as well as pouring acid on prisoners and dragging them across the floor by ropes tied to their genitals. Dick Cheney argued that none of that was torture when he was in office. The recent CIA report concluded that at least one person died in custody at Gitmo and large tubes were routinely rammed up the rectums of prisoners so liquified food could be pumped into their body. They also concluded that innocent people and even US citizens, were detained and tortured, and denied legal council and trial for years.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    The crimes are called torture (or war crimes or crimes against humanity). They are in violation of international treaties and the Constitution (via the Supremacy clause - Article VI). No charges were filed because the DoJ has already (illegally) granted all CIA officials blanket immunity to all involved.
    The interrogation methods were designed to not run afoul of the law. The Justice Department investigated the interrogation methods and well... no charges followed.

    Without any trial(s) all you have is opinion that torture happened. Nothing more than that.
    You can argue your opinion until you are blue in the face and still no one will be charged.

    And there will be no prosecutions for torture as the statute of limitations is long passed.
    Nor are we party to the ICC, nor should we be.

    This was nothing more than political grandstanding.
    Especially as they knew no one would be charged or could be charged.

    The Republicans should next do there own investigation and find out why the those involved were not interviewed.
    We can already guess why, but they really should do this to show just how dumb the Democrats think the public is.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Documented cases of rape occurred at Abu Ghraib as well as pouring acid on prisoners and dragging them across the floor by ropes tied to their genitals. Dick Cheney argued that none of that was torture when he was in office. The recent CIA report concluded that at least one person died in custody at Gitmo and large tubes were routinely rammed up the rectums of prisoners so liquified food could be pumped into their body. They also concluded that innocent people and even US citizens, were detained and tortured, and denied legal council and trial for years.
    Nothing of the sort, in the light you cast it in, has been confirmed.
    Your use of descriptives such as "rammed" make your remarks illogical and deceitful.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Nothing of the sort, in the light you cast it in, has been confirmed.
    Your use of descriptives such as "rammed" make your remarks illogical and deceitful.

    US enlisted officers and personnel have been charged and some have actually served sentences for many of the abuses I listed. You can easily find the information yourself. You can simply research Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and read a list of the people investigated and charged...

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    US enlisted officers and personnel have been charged and some have actually served sentences for many of the abuses I listed. You can easily find the information yourself. You can simply research Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and read a list of the people investigated and charged...
    If it is true you can easily provided a source for each claim.

    Do so.

    Secondly. Forced rectal feeding does not involve "ramming" the feeding tube.
    And while it may be uncomfortable, it is not torture.


    Finally.
    Everybody knows that individuals have acted wrongly and been prosecuted. But individuals acting wrongly in there position is not the Government acting wrongly.
    Do you really not know that?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    I am not an idiot. If you wanted to be an informed member of society, you would take the responsibility to inform yourself instead of asking me to post links upon links. You're simply trying to challenge me with a task that you'll be satisfied with, instead of seeking actual information. Simply use google and google "Bagram," and then google "Abu Ghraib," and then google "Dilawar of Yakubi."

    Dilawar was an innocent Afgani man who died in custody from abuse.


    It's not hard to use google.


    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If it is true you can easily provided a source for each claim.

    Do so.

    Secondly. Forced rectal feeding does not involve "ramming" the feeding tube.
    And while it may be uncomfortable, it is not torture.


    Finally.
    Everybody knows that individuals have acted wrongly and been prosecuted. But individuals acting wrongly in there position is not the Government acting wrongly.
    Do you really not know that?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    repeat.......

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not an idiot. If you wanted to be an informed member of society, you would take the responsibility to inform yourself instead of asking me to post links upon links.
    Said the person not supporting their argument.
    It is not my job to support what you say.


    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Dilawar was an innocent Afgani man who died in custody from abuse.

    And again.
    Everybody knows that individuals have acted wrongly and been prosecuted. But individuals acting wrongly in there position is not the Government acting wrongly.
    Do you really not know that?
    This thread is about supposed US torture. Not individuals who acted on their own and were prosecuted for it. Do you really not know that?



    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It's not hard to use google.
    Yes it is, and you are not doing it. Most likely because you know your whole spiel was nonsense in regards to this topic.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    John Kiriakou was sentenced disclosing classified documents. Not sure why the UN is concerned about enhanced interrogation and not on indiscriminate drone and aerial bombing attacks that result in death. They would be more believable if they went after the bigger fish.

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