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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If, what was allowed, was torture, the word does not mean much. But there were some things done that went beyond the allowed. Those should be prosecuted.
    The interrogation methods were designed not to run afoul of the law.
    And after no charges coming from the Justice department, likely they didn't run afoul.

    Nothing the UN says can change that. We are not a party to the ICC. Nor should we be.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If, what was allowed, was torture, the word does not mean much. But there were some things done that went beyond the allowed. Those should be prosecuted.
    Of those things that you are sure could be sucessfully prosecuted, can you name them?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The interrogation methods were designed not to run afoul of the law.
    And after no charges coming from the Justice department, likely they didn't run afoul.

    Nothing the UN says can change that. We are not a party to the ICC. Nor should we be.
    We can join the ICC, when the UN can guarantee general security believably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of those things that you are sure could be sucessfully prosecuted, can you name them?
    I would have to look the exact items up, which I admit to being too lazy to do this evening. But one thing stick out in my mind. Water boarding as in the legal brief is okay under the circumstances. Dunking somebody 184 times in the cold without sleep for 400 hours is not covered and would almost certainly be punishable. I think it is important, not becouse it is morally wrong, but because it is not acceptable for agencies to overstep the restrictions imposed on them.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    We can join the ICC, when the UN can guarantee general security believably.
    Can and should are two different things.
    I wouldn't care if they could guarantee. We should never give up jurisdiction over our citizens when we have it.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I would have to look the exact items up, which I admit to being too lazy to do this evening. But one thing stick out in my mind. Water boarding as in the legal brief is okay under the circumstances. Dunking somebody 184 times in the cold without sleep for 400 hours is not covered and would almost certainly be punishable. I think it is important, not becouse it is morally wrong, but because it is not acceptable for agencies to overstep the restrictions imposed on them.
    And whom do you think should stand charges for this? Does it stop at the actual people in the room at the time, or those up the chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And whom do you think should stand charges for this? Does it stop at the actual people in the room at the time, or those up the chain?
    Who ever was responsible is the short answer. Mostly you can presume that at least one maybe two hierarchy levels above the perpetrators would probably know and be responsible. Whether persons higher up were responsible of neglected control and whether persons that might have only had knowledge should walk the plank I am not sure, but tend to believe they should.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What crimes?
    The Justice department already investigated the interrogation methods. No charges followed. So what crimes?
    The crimes are called torture (or war crimes or crimes against humanity). They are in violation of international treaties and the Constitution (via the Supremacy clause - Article VI). No charges were filed because the DoJ has already (illegally) granted all CIA officials blanket immunity to all involved.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Believe it or not, I once supported GW Bush 100% and thought he was on his way to be a great president and leader, but that ended with the invasion of Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the allegations of torture. His presidency was a massive disappoint.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    All I know is there are a lot of Yizidi women and young girls in Syria who wake up every day to endless rapes, maiming and disfigurement thanking their lucky stars they didn't get water up their nose.
    The CIA report said a lot more things than just waterboarding occurred...

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