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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Good. Because you can't.
    The justice department investigated the methods. They did not call it torture and no charges were brought.

    So look MildSteel, never said you did, and never said you wanted to. But that is the part I care about, not the rest of this nonsense of which my position has already been stated to you.
    Legally it was not torture, and as such, McCain was wrong.
    If you do not want to get into a debate, just don't reply. It is that simple.
    But continue to say false things and I will oppose them.
    lmao

    Ok slick. I'll leave it at that!!!!

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well it's definitely political grandstanding. However there is no statute of limitations on torture under certain circumstances. Of course Cheney would be prosecuted IF it came to that. Even McCain tacitly admitted Cheney tortured. But my point is that I really don't think that is something that is confined to the Bush administration, and the Democrats better be careful because that could backfire.
    I wonder what actions you would authorize if it was one of your loved ones who could lose their life at the hands of a terrorist? Are you that cold hearted and liberal that the human life of your loved one isn't worth the effort to get the information to save them? I would do whatever it takes to save one of my family members including waterboarding which hurt no one.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The Justice Department already investigated the interrogation methods and decided there was nothing to prosecute and no one from the Bush admin can be prosecuted even if new evidence was found because of the 5 year statute of limitations.
    So it is nothing more than political grandstanding.
    Yes, under Holder, the DOJ is actually the Department Of Integrity. From that Agency, only truth and justice emanate.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I wonder what actions you would authorize if it was one of your loved ones who could lose their life at the hands of a terrorist? Are you that cold hearted and liberal that the human life of your loved one isn't worth the effort to get the information to save them? I would do whatever it takes to save one of my family members including waterboarding which hurt no one.
    Many of those who are against torture are also pro-abortion, so there may be some conflict going on in their rationalizations.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes, under Holder, the DOJ is actually the Department Of Integrity. From that Agency, only truth and justice emanate.
    You again are speaking nonsense.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You again are speaking nonsense.
    Not as much as you...

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Not as much as you...
    Said the one with the flawed argument.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.


    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.


    I'd like to see those who oversaw and participated in those crimes put on trial.

    My guess is that many Christmases will go by before that happens.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'd like to see those who oversaw and participated in those crimes put on trial.
    What crimes?
    The Justice department already investigated the interrogation methods. No charges followed. So what crimes?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Good. Because you can't.
    The justice department investigated the methods. They did not call it torture and no charges were brought.

    So look MildSteel, never said you did, and never said you wanted to. But that is the part I care about, not the rest of this nonsense of which my position has already been stated to you.
    Legally it was not torture, and as such, McCain was wrong.
    If you do not want to get into a debate, just don't reply. It is that simple.
    But continue to say false things and I will oppose them.
    If, what was allowed, was torture, the word does not mean much. But there were some things done that went beyond the allowed. Those should be prosecuted.

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