Page 33 of 83 FirstFirst ... 23313233343543 ... LastLast
Results 321 to 330 of 822

Thread: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

  1. #321
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So why don't the local police waterboard robbery suspects? Totally cool, according to your 'interpretation'.
    My interpretation?
    iLOL
    You quoted the relevant portion of a Supreme Court decision indicating that that prohibition in the Constitution is related only to punishment for a crime.

    So maybe you want to follow the advice I gave to the other person and formulate an argument around another angle.

    Next.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  2. #322
    Quantum sufficit

    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,522

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    My interpretation?
    iLOL
    You quoted the relevant portion of a Supreme Court decision indicating that that prohibition in the Constitution is related only to punishment for a crime.

    So maybe you want to follow the advice I gave to the other person and formulate an argument around another angle.

    Next.
    Torture was meted out to many people as punishment, not just during interrogations.

    Punishment and Amusement (washingtonpost.com)
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

  3. #323
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles area
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 01:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,868

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    To whozit, the U.N. high poobah for whatever: Do not pass go--go straight to hell. And take your fellow America-hating UN officials with you. There would not ever be a UN, if the United States no longer wanted it.

  4. #324
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Torture was meted out to many people as punishment, not just during interrogations.

    Punishment and Amusement (washingtonpost.com)
    Were these soldiers acted wrongly not charged and prosecuted?

    And stop trying to conflate the issue. That wasn't torture.
    Last edited by Excon; 12-21-14 at 01:56 PM.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  5. #325
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 09:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,267

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Yes your claim was desperate, silly, sad and pathetic. There was no Constitutional violation.

    What your friend may or may not think is irrelevant.
    What you think of what your friend supposedly indicated is also irrelevant.
    Neither are relevant to this discussion.

    And you thinking that Webster disagrees with me is also irrelevant.
    Punishment (in general) is something given for a perceived wrong.
    Interrogation is not punishment. Period.

    Secondly, this is a legal argument and not an in-general Websters definition argument.
    You were wrong for asserting such a flawed argument to begin with. And despite being told this is not a Constitutional argument and informed as to what would be an appropriate argument to make. (One of Law or Treaty.) you continued on insisting otherwise. Which was really quite silly.



    So now lets get on with the facts

    I didn't suggest anything. I clearly stated what it was.

    But since you obviously don't know and want to continue arguing this silliness ...

    INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
    430 U.S. 651

    (1977)
    1. [...]


    [...]

    (a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.

    [...]


    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    And if you do not understand what the U.S. stands for in the above site reference. It is a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

    So stop this misunderstanding you have in regards to the Eighth Amendment. It's intent is as punishment for crimes committed. Period.
    And if your friend is real, inform him of this so he also wont be wrong in the future.


    As for being on thin ice?
    The ones decrying these actions as torture are the ones on thin ice.
    As already shown, the Justice department already looked into the "interrogation methods" and found nothing to pursue.
    And clearly sir, what you think is irrelevant too.

    A person attempting to rationalize the "goodness" or "necessity" of torture can be described as "irrelevant". Humans must fool themselves before they can attempt to fool others.

  6. #326
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles area
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 01:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,868

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Yes your claim was desperate, silly, sad and pathetic. There was no Constitutional violation.

    What your friend may or may not think is irrelevant.
    What you think of what your friend supposedly indicated is also irrelevant.
    Neither are relevant to this discussion.

    And you thinking that Webster disagrees with me is also irrelevant.
    Punishment (in general) is something given for a perceived wrong.
    Interrogation is not punishment. Period.

    Secondly, this is a legal argument and not an in-general Websters definition argument.
    You were wrong for asserting such a flawed argument to begin with. And despite being told this is not a Constitutional argument and informed as to what would be an appropriate argument to make. (One of Law or Treaty.) you continued on insisting otherwise. Which was really quite silly.



    So now lets get on with the facts

    I didn't suggest anything. I clearly stated what it was.

    But since you obviously don't know and want to continue arguing this silliness ...

    INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
    430 U.S. 651

    (1977)
    1. [...]


    [...]

    (a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.

    [...]


    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    And if you do not understand what the U.S. stands for in the above site reference. It is a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

    So stop this misunderstanding you have in regards to the Eighth Amendment. It's intent is as punishment for crimes committed. Period.
    And if your friend is real, inform him of this so he also wont be wrong in the future.


    As for being on thin ice?
    The ones decrying these actions as torture are the ones on thin ice.
    As already shown, the Justice department already looked into the "interrogation methods" and found nothing to pursue.

    Please--you are on desperately thin ice. There are already so many torture apologists on it that they're sure to break through. You are trying to debate a poster who has a friend who considers himself "Mr. Constitution." And before you come back with some snappy comment about the fact Mr. Constitution admittedly didn't know what the Eighth Amendment said, let me point out that only the poster and a select few other savants have that recondite knowledge. Contrary to what some might think, you can't just read the text of the Eighth Amendment anywhere.

    Just because John Yoo teaches constitutional law at UC Berkeley and spent countless hours meticulously researching every aspect of the law on torture when he was with the Office of Legal Counsel (what do they know, anyway?) doesn't mean he isn't a dumb torture apologist. I'll bet Mr. Constitution or anyone picked at random from the crowd at the local bong shop or "Hands up, don't shoot!" rally knows more about the Constitution than a chump like Yoo. His real job at OLC was just to lick the boots of Shrub and Darth Cheney. What you obviously don't get is that if you want to be in with the in crowd, you need to show some really bitter resentment toward the U.S. You know, just like all those hip people did in the Sixties. The idea is to run this country down, while you take up space here and hold out the crying towel for the jihadists who are howling for American blood.

    Also, I wish you would stop confusing the attempts to spread anti-American propaganda with facts and reasoning, as you did by referring to Ingraham or any other Supreme Court decision. How is a self-styled liberal supposed to get anywhere if people insist on citing facts to counter slanders against America? Just because some justices claimed they knew the purpose of the Eighth Amendment doesn't make it so. Their words are nothing but socio-linguistic constructs designed to reify semiotic manifestations of the heuristic zeitgeist, and the medium is the massage. Or whatever it was that Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida and Jurgen Habermas and all those other really cool intellectuals said. I'm sure the poster's friend Mr. Constitution would agree.

  7. #327
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And clearly sir, what you think is irrelevant too.

    A person attempting to rationalize the "goodness" or "necessity" of torture can be described as "irrelevant". Humans must fool themselves before they can attempt to fool others.
    See, this is your problem to deal with. Your absurd Constitutional claim was disproved.
    That was the only dispute. But now, instead of admitting you were wrong, you want to ignore your being incorrect and take this into other realms. Some which are personal in nature.

    Which just shows everybody that you truly have no valid argument, never did and can't accept being wrong.
    Only your claims were irrelevant.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  8. #328
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 09:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,267

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    See, this is your problem to deal with. Your absurd Constitutional claim was disproved.
    That was the only dispute. But now, instead of admitting you were wrong, you want to ignore your being incorrect and take this into other realms. Some which are personal in nature.

    Which just shows everybody that you truly have no valid argument, never did and can't accept being wrong.
    Only your claims were irrelevant.
    Only by your specious statement, only in your mind sir, has the Eighth Amendment's guarantee been disproved. You have rationalized in your mind that the words don't mean what they say. That is a personal problem sir.

  9. #329
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Only by your specious statement, only in your mind sir, has the Eighth Amendment's guarantee been disproved. You have rationalized in your mind that the words don't mean what they say. That is a personal problem sir.
    Said the one who can not read the Amendment correctly.
    It only applies to punishment for a crime.
    Which has already been proved.

    So why don't you follow the advice you were given and frame an argument around passed legislation or Treaty?


    Bottom line.
    The Justice Dept has already reviewed the interrogation methods and no violations of law were found to press charges.
    And that should be the end of the story.
    Yet with those folks who do not live in reality, it wont be, because they can not accept the truth.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  10. #330
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 09:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,267

    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Said the one who can not read the Amendment correctly.
    It only applies to punishment for a crime.
    Which has already been proved.

    So why don't you follow the advice you were given and frame an argument around passed legislation or Treaty?


    Bottom line.
    The Justice Dept has already reviewed the interrogation methods and no violations of law were found to press charges.
    And that should be the end of the story.
    Yet with those folks who do not live in reality, it wont be, because they can not accept the truth.
    Or you, a man who will not honor a dictionary...

    No honor at all on display.

Page 33 of 83 FirstFirst ... 23313233343543 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •