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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

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    The UN, as it is, needs to be disbanded.
    That would be possible if there was a better solution than the UN but as we do not have any such a thing and it is very unlikely that something like that can be formed again, this is what we have and all we can strive to do is make it better than it is now (not very difficult in some areas but still, there is no alternative).
    Your answer assumes that something else is needed. It isn't.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It was immoral and illegal,
    Immoral? iLOL

    The procedures were designed not to run afoul of the law and they didn't.
    They were not illegal.
    This report doesn't change that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    whether done for grins 'n giggles or punishment.
    Your failure to understand that it wasn't a Constitutional argument is not my problem, but your's.
    I even went as far as to give you the proper context in which to frame your arguments (law or treaty), and yet you still haven't.


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    Your sophistry is Oh So Inside the Beltway.
    It is your sophistry,
    Do you not even know what the word means?
    You are the one who introduced the fallacious Constitutional argument. That means you were engaged in sophistry.
    And since you can't admit that, even your rebuttals are sophistry.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No there will be no surprise.



    You might want to review the information you think you know to determine if what you said is even relevant.

    For what again? Supposed crimes within their jurisdiction, right?

    Has it yet dawned on you why I brought up jurisdiction in the first place?







    No they can't be.


    Tell that to the UN and Italy.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Tell that to the UN and Italy.
    Tell them what?
    That you don't understand jurisdiction, or what you are replying to?
    I am more than sure they couldn't care less.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
    Let me get this strait... soooooo, when there is trouble in the backyard, everyone runs to the US for assistance. But, they don't like how we handle it. Why don't they invest a fair share into solving the issue, and maybe they will have more of a voice when it comes to how these things get resolved.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Tell them what?
    That you don't understand jurisdiction, or what you are replying to?
    I am more than sure they couldn't care less.
    You're confused. Go back to bed and they'll bring you your medicine.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You're confused. Go back to bed and they'll bring you your medicine.
    That is obviously you.
    Go back and read the article that you obviously didn't understand.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is obviously you.
    Go back and read the article that you obviously didn't understand.
    I did. Since the U.S. won't prosecute or extradite, that means whoever is involved better think twice about leaving the country if not under diplomatic cover.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your answer assumes that something else is needed. It isn't.
    The past decades have shown that we do.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I did.
    Great, then you should know your original statement was false.


    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Since the U.S. won't prosecute or extradite, that means whoever is involved better think twice about leaving the country if not under diplomatic cover.
    Look at that.
    Obviously you don't know that your statement was false.
    No one can be tried outside of this Nation for (especially as no crime was committed). No one else has jurisdiction but the US.
    And what is a representative of our Justice department supposedly quoted as saying? (which is in line with what we already know)

    However, a Justice Department official said Wednesday the department did not intend to revisit its decision to not prosecute anyone for the interrogation methods. The official said the department had reviewed the committee's report and did not find any new information that would cause the investigation to be reopened.

    "Our inquiry was limited to a determination of whether prosecutable offenses were committed," the official said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss an investigation. "Importantly, our investigation was not intended to answer the broader questions regarding the propriety of the examined conduct."

    So the investigation was limited to a determination if a crime had been committed, and they decided no charges were to be filed.
    Also please note, it said interrogation methods.


    So all you have done is shown that you failed to understand what you did read.

    And stop while you are ahead. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon does not have the authority to declare anything a violation.
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