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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If one looks at the polls, most Americans are not even paying attention to the report and 69% of them say it shouldn't have been released. Only on political sites like this one is the report even being discussed.

    The CIA can't win. Right after 9-11 everyone was saying they should have been more active, if they were more active and done their job better, perhaps 9-11 would not have occurred. Now years after the fact, those same people are saying the CIA has been too active. Heck that is what everyone wanted them to be.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Like I said, you won't look at the link. Your interest in this issue is purely partisan.
    I looked, it was everything I expected.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    100% agree.
    It seems the same hypocrisy as being for the war until they were against it.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, since according to the CIA, torture didn't work at all... I think we will be ok.

    If you want to see a detailed report of how we know this, look here.

    John Brennan Is Still Lying, Ctd « The Dish

    But I think we both know you're not really interested in objective information here.
    Andrew Sullivan is 'objective information'? Do you believe that?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    That would be possible if there was a better solution than the UN but as we do not have any such a thing and it is very unlikely that something like that can be formed again, this is what we have and all we can strive to do is make it better than it is now (not very difficult in some areas but still, there is no alternative).
    Actually there is a better alternative and is being exercised on a largely unofficial basis. There is little the dictatorships and the democracies have in common so why pretend that there is?

    A group of democracies under the guidelines demonstrated in the article below would squeeze the dictatorships through a variety of means until the people living under them have some of the fundamental freedoms the rest of us enjoy. http://explorersfoundation.org/archi...ere_primer.pdf
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Andrew Sullivan is 'objective information'? Do you believe that?
    So you didn't read it either.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually there is a better alternative and is being exercised on a largely unofficial basis. There is little the dictatorships and the democracies have in common so why pretend that there is?

    A group of democracies under the guidelines demonstrated in the article below would squeeze the dictatorships through a variety of means until the people living under them have some of the fundamental freedoms the rest of us enjoy. http://explorersfoundation.org/archi...ere_primer.pdf
    The only real power in the world is the security council, that is a fact of life. Only from the UN can international bodies/organs gain real power or legitimacy.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The only real power in the world is the security council, that is a fact of life. Only from the UN can international bodies/organs gain real power or legitimacy.
    Really? What power des the security council have and how does it implement that power? It can be ignored at any time. All we need to is look at the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and see the non-consequences. Just more 'emergency' meetings.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really? What power des the security council have and how does it implement that power? It can be ignored at any time. All we need to is look at the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and see the non-consequences. Just more 'emergency' meetings.
    Although, I do agree with with you, the problem with the Ukraine is that it isn't a part of the UN.
    Having said that, the UN is a joke these days, most of the countries are run by a dictator or a totalitarian government.

    The UN wouldn't do anything without our money.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No jurisdiction.
    You do understand that that is what is needed, right?

    Those countries would not even dare try.
    You might get a surprise in the future.

    There are quite a few countries on this planet that don't need to kiss the USA's butt.
    No there will be no surprise.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Italy has already tried and convicted some members of the CIA. did you know that?

    You might want to review the information you think you know to determine if what you said is even relevant.

    For what again? Supposed crimes within their jurisdiction, right?

    Has it yet dawned on you why I brought up jurisdiction in the first place?






    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    The UN has declared that the CIA personnel who tortured, and by extension, their leaders, can be brought to prosecution in essentially 'any country in the world' by UN treaty.

    No they can't be.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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