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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

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    Italy has already tried and convicted some members of the CIA. did you know that?
    No, I didn't. In absentia was it?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

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    Trade? Tourism?

    No, I didn't. In absentia was it?
    All of Italy are pussies anyway, amiright?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Trade? Tourism?

    No, I didn't. In absentia was it?


    Yep.

    One of them owns or owned a home in Italy. He can't go there now.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Yep.

    One of them owns or owned a home in Italy. He can't go there now.
    If I recall, one of them was also detained in Panama and there was s possibility of having him extradited to Italy, so these 22 agents are at risk when crossing any borders.

    The UN has declared that the CIA personnel who tortured, and by extension, their leaders, can be brought to prosecution in essentially 'any country in the world' by UN treaty.

    I'm guessing these guys will be vacationing domestically for the rest of their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    All of Italy are pussies anyway, amiright?
    They certainly have had a problem participating in international security matters equivalent to their dependence on global exchange and their wealth. But that is another problem. Why do you bring it up.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    They certainly have had a problem participating in international security matters equivalent to their dependence on global exchange and their wealth. But that is another problem. Why do you bring it up.
    Grant thinks that all liberals are pussies. I'm assuming, if the Italians have deemed what the CIA did was torture, that Grant thinks they must be pussies too.

    I'm just waiting for his final confirmation on the pussiness of Italy.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Grant thinks that all liberals are pussies. I'm assuming, if the Italians have deemed what the CIA did was torture, that Grant thinks they must be pussies too.

    I'm just waiting for his final confirmation on the pussiness of Italy.
    Actually, I believe the 23 persons were not sentenced or prosecuted for torture, but for kidnapping someone who was plotting against the US. I really do not think that was illegitimate. After all
    They were also acting with the knowledge of the Italian authorities.
    Turning the man over to the Egyptians might have been less acceptable.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, I believe the 23 persons were not sentenced or prosecuted for torture, but for kidnapping someone who was plotting against the US. I really do not think that was illegitimate. After all
    They were also acting with the knowledge of the Italian authorities.
    Turning the man over to the Egyptians might have been less acceptable.
    Yes, the convictions were for kidnapping , but it was the concept that the kidnapping was leading to torture that drove the prosecution.

    For some odd reason, some Western democracies just don't get how wonderful torture is, and how silly it is to think that signed treaties with the UN mean anything.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Lots of lawyers say lots of things that don't keep their clients out of jail.
    The Attorney General is the official word on that in the Executive Branch.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yes, the convictions were for kidnapping , but it was the concept that the kidnapping was leading to torture that drove the prosecution.

    For some odd reason, some Western democracies just don't get how wonderful torture is, and how silly it is to think that signed treaties with the UN mean anything.
    Now don't get me wrong. Torture is not acceptable to our society.

    But try not to look like a hypocrite.
    You know most of the European countries' agencies and many governments knew of the renditions and a good number participated. I am not sure of Italy and am not enough interested to research it at this time, but a number of them like Germany delivered prisoners to countries like Syria or Pakistan where agents from the countries actually have been reported to have interviewed the deported. This is taking a very different stand on the moral issue, indeed. You do know that when professor Wolffson proposed discussing what torture is, what interrogation methods should be allowed and which forbidden his employer the government fobade him to continue perusing the questions in public. Yes, a very interesting standpoint.

    And the moral outrage you say drove the Italian political judges is really skrewy, when you consider that the Italians let over 3.500 men, women and kids drown while trying to reach the Italian coast this year.

    So get real. Get off the moral arguments and try to think about this as an interesting legal problem. How do you want to define torture you profess to abhor? How heavy would you say and how short are we to allow the chain connecting the convicts' ankles to be before we want to call it torture. How long are agents allowed to interrogate the suspect at a time?

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