That post shows a lot of ignorance, I never argued do nothing, I argue do something that works. All the literature on torture says it doesn't work. And we have verifiable evidence of intel we got and used that was false, and that is undisputed. You can't offer anything as undisputed and verifiable.
And torturing innocent people is also not going to help anyone's family. In fact, all of this likely puts them more at risk. It is not human nature to ignore these wrongs. Some will join the fight against us just to avenge those wrongs. And I speak of people who would not have done so without it.
This type of excuse you make above for evil doesn't hold up. It doesn't excuse torture. As for expertise, there are plenty who side with me.
Here are a couple:
Moreover, Zimbardo told LiveScience that torture is not an effective way to gather intelligence. Compared with police settings, in which detectives build social rapport and often get confessions without physical force, secret interrogation squads can alienate prisoners and elicit unreliable information, he said.
(For example, a Libyan detainee linked to al-Qaida falsely revealed under torture that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq — a key reason for the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Allen said.)
Study: U.S. Torture Techniques Unethical, Ineffective
As early as the third century A.D., the great Roman Jurist Ulpian noted that information obtained through torture was not to be trusted because some people are “so susceptible to pain that they will tell any lie rather than suffer it” (Peters, 1996). This warning about the unreliability of information extracted through the use of torture has echoed across the centuries. As one CIA operative who participated in torture during the Vietnam War put it, “We had people who were willing to confess to anything if we would just stop torturing them” (Andersen, 2004, p. 3). Indeed, the Army Field Manual explains that strategically useful information is best obtained from prisoners who are treated humanely, and that information obtained through torture has produced faulty intelligence (Leahy, 2005).
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Although torture does not produce reliable information, it may persist because it satisfies psychological needs in times of stress. Specifically, it counters a sense of desperation, reassures interrogators that they are in control, and bestows a feeling of empowerment, at least in the enclosed world of the interrogation room (Carlsmith & Sood, 2009). As one scholar put it, “Even though torture is not, on balance, effective or rational, it persists through its deep psychological appeal, to the powerful and the powerless alike, in times of crisis” (McCoy, 2006, p. 207).
http://www.cgu.edu/pdffiles/sbos/costanzo_effects_of_interrogation.pdf
