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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And do you find countries who torture their own citizens, who ignore UN law, 'paying a heavy price'?
    How so?


    They get a few dirty looks and a few fingers are shaken at them.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    They get lots of dirty looks and lots of fingers are shaken at them.
    You're exaggerating their punishment.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The way the UN is set up, with Security Council veto power, makes it almost impossible for it to be an effective organization.
    It's good to see that you can at least acknowledge that they're ineffective. I prefer "useless" to "ineffective" because I think it's more accurate.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're exaggerating their punishment.


    You're right, I edited that comment.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
    Personally, I have no use for the UN. No sane person can take seriously any sermonizing by this body of petty despots and thieves.

    Best response would be for the US to say, "thanks very much - you now have 1 year to pack up and leave NYC and relocate and those annual dues you expect us to pay, no longer going to happen". And all like minded, civilized, western democracies should do the same. I can only hope that one day my country, Canada, sees fit to end our participation in this sham.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The UN loses all semblance of credibility ( it never had any to begin with ) by appointing Nations with terrible Human Rights violations to a council thats tasked to monitor them.
    Including the United States.

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    Just admit that you don't care who charges the US with " Human Rights violations "
    Not if the shoe fits.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I have no use for the UN. No sane person can take seriously any sermonizing by this body of petty despots and thieves.

    Best response would be for the US to say, "thanks very much - you now have 1 year to pack up and leave NYC and relocate and those annual dues you expect us to pay, no longer going to happen". And all like minded, civilized, western democracies should do the same. I can only hope that one day my country, Canada, sees fit to end our participation in this sham.
    Considering the UN has consistently failed it's founding purpose (to prevent war between member states) and the fact that they have taken way more power and influence then they were ever granted, I agree with this.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who's being tortured now? Fill us in.
    You can prove it ended?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The way the UN is set up, with Security Council veto power, makes it almost impossible for it to be an effective organization.
    And its has Nations with some of the worst Human Rights records om its Human Rights Council.

    Don't forget that.

    Oh and Nations that opppse American interest on principle alone.

    There are a number of things tbaf make it a " innefective " organization.

    And a number of things that challenges the very credibility of its purpose and existence.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    I am an American Patriot. And because of this I agree. These traitors that torture should not be protected and not allowed to shame our country.
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