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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    You guys have taken this thread entirely off course. Talking about what is and is not torture, what is and is not Constitutional... should we not be talking about the amazing ramifications of the US bending to UN demands?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You guys have taken this thread entirely off course. Talking about what is and is not torture, what is and is not Constitutional... should we not be talking about the amazing ramifications of the US bending to UN demands?
    The UN is an hot air machine. When such countries as China, Cuba, the Congo, and more are on the Human Right Committee, no one and no country really should take the UN seriously.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The UN is an hot air machine. When such countries as China, Cuba, the Congo, and more are on the Human Right Committee, no one and no country really should take the UN seriously.
    Agreed, which is why we should exit the UN and brand them for what they are. A useless bureaucratic organization made up of dubious characters.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Agreed, which is why we should exit the UN and brand them for what they are. A useless bureaucratic organization made up of dubious characters.
    And a haven for espionage for those countries that do not like us because of the diplomatic immunity provided by UN members. Agreed, get out of it and move it to Geneva or someplace else.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It probably is here too, but why split those hairs?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You guys have taken this thread entirely off course. Talking about what is and is not torture, what is and is not Constitutional... should we not be talking about the amazing ramifications of the US bending to UN demands?
    No, we should be talking about how the U.S. Broke a treaty and should be held accountable.

    But I guess the neocons here don't believe in personal responsibility and the Rule of Law- because some of you might be surprised to know that torture is illegal.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340A
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You guys have taken this thread entirely off course. Talking about what is and is not torture, what is and is not Constitutional... should we not be talking about the amazing ramifications of the US bending to UN demands?
    We'll buy them off. We always have and always will.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Pull the money and watch them squeal
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

    It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

    Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

    "In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

    Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

    He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

    UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

    The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
    well what kind of name is that?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Zeid_bin_Ra%27ad

    Oh OK a member of the Jordanian royal family, educated in England......

    I thought he was a Saudi, I pegged him as a Saudi prince based on his name. Nevermind
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No, we should be talking about how the U.S. Broke a treaty and should be held accountable.

    But I guess the neocons here don't believe in personal responsibility and the Rule of Law- because some of you might be surprised to know that torture is illegal.

    18 U.S. Code § 2340A - Torture | LII / Legal Information Institute
    If we broke our own rules of law then we are accountable to ourselves, not the UN. BTW, I do not support our torture program but I really do not support the idea of us being responsible to the worthless UN.
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