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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    So massacring several hundred thousand innocent people in the fake war on terror, Killer Tuesdays, relentless droning, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and other black sites, etc. did not affect our standing much but the Senate Report was the tipping point then?
    We haven't massacred several hundred thousand people, 'Killer Tuesdays'?, the use of drones is a laudable and desirable method for defeating our enemies and minimizing civilian casualties, Abu Ghraib was horrendous and we brought those responsible to justice with the minimum possible public exposure, I have no moral problem with 'Gitmo' or the black sites only practical ones.

    The torture issue had been more or less dead and was only arousing the interest of activists. Now it is re-ignited. It has nothing to do with a 'tipping point'.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We haven't massacred several hundred thousand people, 'Killer Tuesdays'?, the use of drones is a laudable and desirable method for defeating our enemies and minimizing civilian casualties, Abu Ghraib was horrendous and we brought those responsible to justice with the minimum possible public exposure, I have no moral problem with 'Gitmo' or the black sites only practical ones.

    The torture issue had been more or less dead and was only arousing the interest of activists. Now it is re-ignited. It has nothing to do with a 'tipping point'.
    Not to mention how political this report has become. Instead of being a neutral observation of it's effects, Warren and the democrats are just using it to throw mud on the CIA, in an attempt for getting back a them for not cowtowing to whatever it was they were wanting.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Fall of the Berlin Wall surprised everyone with it's suddenness. 9/11 is an instance where the lack of inter-agency communication (FBI - CIA) gave each an incomplete picture insufficient to connect the dots. Yes, there were WMDs in IRaq, but they were moved out (perhaps to Syria?), remenants of said WMDs were in found by US forces in Iraq.


    If it's not producing useful intel, then why bother? I'm not seeing your logic that they'd continue to use those methods if it didn't. 'it's fun' doesn't make any sense.



    Seems counter to what I've been hearing in the media.



    Meh.



    I think that's the point.

    Believe them if you like, i won't not after Iraq and those Weapons of mas destruction that were about to be used against the United States.

    They lied then, why would they tell the truth now?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When the UN stops promoting human rights abusers to lead its condemnation bodies then they may have a shred of credibility.
    When the UN security council decides to remove veto power from its permanent members, a process created by the U.S. and Russia, then the UN will actually be able to go after human rights abusers.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We haven't massacred several hundred thousand people
    You're right, "we" didn't, that was done by the US government.

    'Killer Tuesdays'?
    *** Drones and Obama's Tuesday Kill List :*** Information Clearing House: ICH

    the use of drones is a laudable and desirable method for defeating our enemies and minimizing civilian casualties,
    Well you buy the propaganda anyway. The fact is drones murder people, men, women, children. As well as create new enemies.

    Abu Ghraib was horrendous and we brought those responsible to justice with the minimum possible public exposure,
    Yeah they went after a few scapegoats and made sure those who authorized these atrocities were left unscathed.

    I have no moral problem with 'Gitmo' or the black sites only practical ones.
    I can tell morality is not one of your assets.

    The torture issue had been more or less dead and was only arousing the interest of activists.
    It's never dead to those of us who have certain standards of morality, especially when no one is prosecuted for these crimes against humanity. But I see where you're coming from.

    It has nothing to do with a 'tipping point'.
    Exactly.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I think that's the point.

    Believe them if you like, i won't not after Iraq and those Weapons of mas destruction that were about to be used against the United States.

    They lied then, why would they tell the truth now?
    If in reference to the WMDs in Iraq, they didn't lie then. The remnants of those chemical WMDs were in fact found after they were moved.

    If in reference to WMDs being used against whom? Used against the continental US? Or used against US forces in theater? Or used against allies in the theater?
    Which is it that you are saying was said, and who said it and when? Sounds like you have something very specific in mind.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    You're right, "we" didn't, that was done by the US government.



    *** Drones and Obama's Tuesday Kill List :*** Information Clearing House: ICH



    Well you buy the propaganda anyway. The fact is drones murder people, men, women, children.



    Yeah they went after a few scapegoats and made sure those who authorized these atrocities were left unscathed.



    I can tell morality is not one of your assets.



    It's never dead to those of us who have certain standards of morality, especially when no one is prosecuted for these crimes against humanity. But I see where you're coming from.



    Exactly.
    1. The US government did not massacre hundreds of thousands of people.
    2. Lol. Click the link everyone.
    3. I adore our military use of drones. If the best you have is "you bought the propaganda" I'm comfortable. =)
    4. There isn't evidence, unlike with our actual interrogation program, that there was much higher level authorization at all which is what made the case particularly egregious as an act of gross negligence on the part of commanders.
    5. Clearly! =D
    6. You prove my point. Aside from activists it was only important to a small minority.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If in reference to the WMDs in Iraq, they didn't lie then. The remnants of those chemical WMDs were in fact found after they were moved.

    If in reference to WMDs being used against whom? Used against the continental US? Or used against US forces in theater? Or used against allies in the theater?
    Which is it that you are saying was said, and who said it and when? Sounds like you have something very specific in mind.
    So now you're saying there WERE weapons found and the invasion was completely justified.

    Sorry, that is beyond believable. The point is there were no active weapons, EVERY word uttered by Colin Powell was wrong.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    They should be prosecuted. We go around the world championing human rights, then we torture people when we want to, it makes no sense. Eventually the US has to be held accountable for its actions.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    3. I adore our military use of drones. If the best you have is "you bought the propaganda" I'm comfortable. =)
    Really? You adore killing dozens of civilians (including children) for every drone strike target?

    41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes

    Some 24 men specifically targeted in Pakistan resulted in the death of 874 people. All were reported in the press as “killed” on multiple occasions, meaning that numerous strikes were aimed at each of them. The vast majority of those strikes were unsuccessful. An estimated 142 children were killed in the course of pursuing those 24 men, only six of whom died in the course of drone strikes that killed their intended targets.

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