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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The CIA directors, who would have known whether it was effective or not are saying that it was effective.
    The people on whom these methods are being used are not highly trained US pilots.
    The same CIA that missed the fall if the Berlin Wall, 911 etc., was sure there were WMD's in Iraq?

    I am surprised you would take their word at face value. Of course they are going to say that, would you expect them to say. "yeah, what we've been doing isn't really effective but it's fun?

    The Senate committee was both parties. I heard no dissent in fact both Republicans and Democrats are behind it. Anything that congress can agree on has to have merit.

    To me, the CIA does not and never has.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    It'll be a cold day in hell before we ask the UN for a hall pass.

    What are they going to do? Hug us to death?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The same CIA that missed the fall if the Berlin Wall, 911 etc., was sure there were WMD's in Iraq?
    Fall of the Berlin Wall surprised everyone with it's suddenness. 9/11 is an instance where the lack of inter-agency communication (FBI - CIA) gave each an incomplete picture insufficient to connect the dots. Yes, there were WMDs in IRaq, but they were moved out (perhaps to Syria?), remenants of said WMDs were in found by US forces in Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I am surprised you would take their word at face value. Of course they are going to say that, would you expect them to say. "yeah, what we've been doing isn't really effective but it's fun?
    If it's not producing useful intel, then why bother? I'm not seeing your logic that they'd continue to use those methods if it didn't. 'it's fun' doesn't make any sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The Senate committee was both parties. I heard no dissent in fact both Republicans and Democrats are behind it. Anything that congress can agree on has to have merit.
    Seems counter to what I've been hearing in the media.

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    To me, the CIA does not and never has.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    These people will never be sent to the Hague.
    I think we should try and imprison them here.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Even democrats who participated?
    Of course.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course.
    Okay, fair enough.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Funny how the we treat the UN- we used a UN resolution as a pretext to invade Iraq and now that they are criticizing us we demand its dismantlement.
    In other words, the U.N. was righteous and useful enough for our government to use them in order to get world-wide approval to go to war, but they aren't worth listening to when our government is called to the mate for committing war crimes in violation of international law.

    How interesting...
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't get your bleeding heart panties in a bunch...tell me is AQ, ISIS, or any of the terrorist groups a uniformed military?
    I don't need to tell you, you know the answer and it's irrelevant anyway. All who commit crimes need to be prosecuted, there should never be any exceptions.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The release of the report was a shameful betrayal of American interests.
    I never knew that torture was an "American interest" that needed to be kept under wraps. Where does it say that?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    I never knew that torture was an "American interest" that needed to be kept under wraps. Where does it say that?
    Where does what say that? It was a betrayal of our interests because of what it did to our standing, the fuel it gives our enemies, and the distraction from our enemies activities at such a critical point in our modern history.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Where does what say that? It was a betrayal of our interests because of what it did to our standing, the fuel it gives our enemies, and the distraction from our enemies activities at such a critical point in our modern history.
    So massacring several hundred thousand innocent people in the fake war on terror, Killer Tuesdays, relentless droning, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and other black sites, etc. did not affect our standing much but the Senate Report was the tipping point then?

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