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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    But what if you NEEDED to decapitate the kid or rape the wife to get valuable information on a ticking bomb in an NFL stadium?
    Not likely to happen under any circumstances. There are just something things that can't be done. Different people draw that line at different places.

    Heck, I'm sure there are some that would object to using harsh language on terrorist detainees.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm going to disagree with both of you. I don't buy Paschendale's point in the sense that I believe it was intended to produce results. I do not buy that it was done for punitive purposes. Having said that, I do not believe it worked, either. When tortured, people will often tell their tormentors what they want to hear just to make it stop. Happens in police interrogation rooms across the country, too, when psychological interrogation techniques are used.
    There is overwhelming evidence that shows torture does not work, in fact leads to more misinformation.

    If I understand the psychology, the victim soon learns what his torturers want to hear, and even if innocent, will tell them anything. I would think the experience of US Air Force and Navy pilots shot down in Korea and Vietnam, how they "testified" against "US imperialism" and alleged war crimes; those were understood and forgiven as a wrongful result of torture. Yet, here, so many insist it works. Not for highly trained US pilots it didn't.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah and Feinstein's Report was used politically and for that purpose only. Yet like I stated her report shouldn't be even be considered. Here is what Susan Collins has to say bout it, and she was one of the 3 Repubs that wanted to go thru this.


    Sen. Collins' Views on Senate Intelligence Committee Report on CIA Interrogation Program


    "In addition to the partisan nature of the staff investigation, the report has significant intrinsic limitations because it did not involve direct interviews of CIA officials, contract personnel, or other Executive branch personnel. John Rizzo, one of the chief architects of the program, has stated publicly that he would have been happy to be interviewed, and he said a number of his colleagues would have as well. The absence of interviews significantly eroded the bipartisan cooperation that existed when the SSCI Review began and calls into question some of the report's analysis.

    "The lack of interviews violated the Committee's bipartisan Terms of Reference that were approved by an overwhelming 14-1 vote in March 2009. The Terms of Reference describe the purpose, scope, and methodology of the Review, and they include the following statement: "The Committee will use the tools of oversight necessary to complete a thorough review including, but not limited to, document reviews and requests, interviews, testimony at closed and open hearings, as appropriate, and preparation of findings and recommendations." Yet, there were no interviews, no hearings, and no recommendations. By comparison, the SASC's 2008 Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody included 70 interviews, written responses from more than 200 individuals in response to written questions, two hearings, and at least two subpoenas. "Documents never tell the full story and lack context. As the former Chairman or Ranking Member of the Senate's chief investigative committee for ten years, I found that interviews were always key sources of information for every investigation our Homeland Security Committee conducted. In the 2012 HSGAC investigation into the attacks in Benghazi, for example, we discovered one of our most alarming findings in a discussion with the Commander of U.S. Africa Command, General Carter Ham. We learned that he was unaware of the presence of CIA officers in Benghazi, despite the fact that his Command had responsibility to prepare for the evacuation of U.S. government personnel.

    "The bipartisan Terms of Reference also called for the production of policy recommendations, but not one is included in the Review's Findings & Conclusions or its Executive Summary. Ironically, it was the CIA, rather than the Committee, that first developed recommendations to address the mismanagement, misconduct, and flawed performance that characterized too much of the CIA's Detention & Interrogation program. I have identified several recommendations that should be implemented as soon as possible.

    Susan M.*Collins (via noodls) / Sen. Collins' Views on Senate Intelligence Committee Report on CIA Interrogation Program
    It's all political. The best thing is to let it sit. Like a "truth commission."


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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's all political. The best thing is to let it sit. Like a "truth commission."
    Now that sounds Orwellian
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    There is overwhelming evidence that shows torture does not work, in fact leads to more misinformation.

    If I understand the psychology, the victim soon learns what his torturers want to hear, and even if innocent, will tell them anything. I would think the experience of US Air Force and Navy pilots shot down in Korea and Vietnam, how they "testified" against "US imperialism" and alleged war crimes; those were understood and forgiven as a wrongful result of torture. Yet, here, so many insist it works. Not for highly trained US pilots it didn't.
    The CIA directors, who would have known whether it was effective or not are saying that it was effective.
    The people on whom these methods are being used are not highly trained US pilots.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sleep deprivation, Stress positions, Not knowing what day it is, people yelling threats at them. Should we stop all of this for our Special Forces Troops too?

    Do you think any of the leftests thinks about when One of these type of Solider's of ours gets captured and what happens to them? Let alone one of our Intelligence people.
    Are you really asking me?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It probably is here too, but why split those hairs?
    I've already stated that if we engaged in the process of torturing prisoners the the people responsible need to be prosecuted.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you really asking me?
    Well, I thought you might want to elaborate for those leftists who thought they held a Higher Moral ground. Like I said, thought!

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I thought you might want to elaborate for those leftists who thought they held a Higher Moral ground. Like I said, thought!
    I can't fix the those that are stupid.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's all political. The best thing is to let it sit. Like a "truth commission."
    To late now.....and this will backfire on the Demos. Not the Repubs. As now the info is out that the CIA briefed 68 members of Congress. That's Right 68 Members of Congress about their Program. Not just the Gang of 8 like most believed.


    Disgrace: Senate Democrats' Flawed, Reckless CIA Interrogation Report.....


    2) If you have not done so already, stop what you're doing and read this Wall Street Journal op/ed co written by six former CIA directors and assistant directors. It is devastating to the Feinstein/Democratic report, beginning with the astounding fact that its authors did not speak to anybody at the CIA who carried out or oversaw the 'enhanced interrogation' program. Outrageous:

    3) For the umpteenth time, Democrats who feign outrage over the CIA's tactics willfully ignore the established fact that Congress' bipartisan leadership teams were extensively briefed on EITs, including water boarding. According to several accounts, reactions from lawmakers ranged from registering no objections to asking if the agency needed to go further. Nancy Pelosi's lies on this matter are uniquely disgusting. Based on documented evidence, the CIA briefed at least 68 members of Congress on the programs. Senate Republicans' competing report on EITs, which has received far less media attention, affirms the CIA's contention that their actions after 9/11 spared innocent lives and weakened Al Qaeda.

    (5) The release of this slanted, agenda-driven report has placed more American lives in danger (I actually think transparency is important here, and would have backed the release of a fair assessment, despite the risk), infuriated and betrayed allies who've worked with us, and demoralized many honorable CIA current and former employees:



    Disgrace: Senate Democrats' Flawed, Reckless CIA Interrogation Report - Guy Benson

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