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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The administration should completely ignore the report, the next Congress should do whatever it can to discredit it, and we should move forward and allow it to fade into obscurity over the coming years. This is not the time to address the issue.
    They will ignore it. Which is probably best.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'd agree. There are some things that are completely off the table, the decapitating of their children and the raping their women being among them.

    I also have no objection to effective enhanced interrogation methods that have been validated to produce valuable intel, so much so that when completed the interrogatee is little more than a shriveled up shell of their former selves, perhaps even safe to return to their homes after that with the risk of recidivism.
    Glad we could clarify that. When you made the blanket statement that we needed to exceed the enemy's capabilities it sounded like you were advocating actually sinking to their level.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why do I care what Holder thinks and since when do you believe him?
    The point is, if the Justice Dept couldn't come up with anything. Feinstein and her people aren't nearly as competent as the Justice Dept is. So how can any accept their one sided report?

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Pretty sure that "waterboarding" was among other more heinous acts but why split hairs, right?
    It probably is here too, but why split those hairs?


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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The point is, if the Justice Dept couldn't come up with anything. Feinstein and her people aren't nearly as competent as the Justice Dept is. So how can any accept their one sided report?
    Holder not going for prosecutions is probably a political thing. There's no way he could do it without his buddies getting caught up in the net too.


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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm sure many of them have continued to endure tortures in the years since. By now they've probably admitted that they are responsible for killing JFK and for slavery.

    If they were sent back to their countries and shot on sight there, that doesn't sound like our problem.

    Why would they be tortured after 5 years and being out of the game? No one has time to waste when dealing with any terrorists. None of our people are going to waste their time when they have to deal with others who are coming in. So that's a reach to think anything else has been happening to them unless it is by some guards doing whatever on their own. Which wouldn't have anything to do with the CIA.

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'd agree. There are some things that are completely off the table, the decapitating of their children and the raping their women being among them.

    I also have no objection to effective enhanced interrogation methods that have been validated to produce valuable intel, so much so that when completed the interrogatee is little more than a shriveled up shell of their former selves, perhaps even safe to return to their homes after that with the risk of recidivism.
    But what if you NEEDED to decapitate the kid or rape the wife to get valuable information on a ticking bomb in an NFL stadium?
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Holder not going for prosecutions is probably a political thing. There's no way he could do it without his buddies getting caught up in the net too.

    Yeah and Feinstein's Report was used politically and for that purpose only. Yet like I stated her report shouldn't be even be considered. Here is what Susan Collins has to say bout it, and she was one of the 3 Repubs that wanted to go thru this.


    Sen. Collins' Views on Senate Intelligence Committee Report on CIA Interrogation Program


    "In addition to the partisan nature of the staff investigation, the report has significant intrinsic limitations because it did not involve direct interviews of CIA officials, contract personnel, or other Executive branch personnel. John Rizzo, one of the chief architects of the program, has stated publicly that he would have been happy to be interviewed, and he said a number of his colleagues would have as well. The absence of interviews significantly eroded the bipartisan cooperation that existed when the SSCI Review began and calls into question some of the report's analysis.

    "The lack of interviews violated the Committee's bipartisan Terms of Reference that were approved by an overwhelming 14-1 vote in March 2009. The Terms of Reference describe the purpose, scope, and methodology of the Review, and they include the following statement: "The Committee will use the tools of oversight necessary to complete a thorough review including, but not limited to, document reviews and requests, interviews, testimony at closed and open hearings, as appropriate, and preparation of findings and recommendations." Yet, there were no interviews, no hearings, and no recommendations. By comparison, the SASC's 2008 Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody included 70 interviews, written responses from more than 200 individuals in response to written questions, two hearings, and at least two subpoenas. "Documents never tell the full story and lack context. As the former Chairman or Ranking Member of the Senate's chief investigative committee for ten years, I found that interviews were always key sources of information for every investigation our Homeland Security Committee conducted. In the 2012 HSGAC investigation into the attacks in Benghazi, for example, we discovered one of our most alarming findings in a discussion with the Commander of U.S. Africa Command, General Carter Ham. We learned that he was unaware of the presence of CIA officers in Benghazi, despite the fact that his Command had responsibility to prepare for the evacuation of U.S. government personnel.

    "The bipartisan Terms of Reference also called for the production of policy recommendations, but not one is included in the Review's Findings & Conclusions or its Executive Summary. Ironically, it was the CIA, rather than the Committee, that first developed recommendations to address the mismanagement, misconduct, and flawed performance that characterized too much of the CIA's Detention & Interrogation program. I have identified several recommendations that should be implemented as soon as possible.

    Susan M.*Collins (via noodls) / Sen. Collins' Views on Senate Intelligence Committee Report on CIA Interrogation Program

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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh that's Right.....one has to be all PC fashionable when standing next to a terrorist, huh?

    Just how is one suppose to look when compared to a terrorist.

    I heard the AQ spokesperson in Yemen sounded off yesterday about this. They didn't like hearing how their fighters were given enemas. He says we have to be afraid.....very afraid.
    Well, I think they would call them "freedom fighters" that is until it's their own loved ones beheaded.
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    Re: UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Glad we could clarify that. When you made the blanket statement that we needed to exceed the enemy's capabilities it sounded like you were advocating actually sinking to their level.
    True, and I'm really not advocating sinking to their level, but I'm not above 'getting hands dirty', a little bit, anyway, to make sure that we have the intel we need to succeed in this conflict, which is the entire point anyway.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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