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    A closer look at Michigan's religious freedom restoration act that is making waves in Lansing."This is much ado about nothing and it's really about a license to discriminate more than anything," said Kary Moss, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan. It's what opponents are saying about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act now pending before the state Senate after passing the House of Representatives last week. "It basically would allow anybody who claims a sincerely held religious belief to engage in any discrimination," Moss said. Moss says it's unclear just what kind of impact this legislation would have. "We don't want people to end up hostage to someone else's religious beliefs," said Sommer Foster, of Equality Michigan. "We don't want someone who is in need of their emergency medical technician, social worker or from any governmental agency to not get the service that they need because of who they are."


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    i doubt this even gets voted on in the senate but even if it does it will eventually be thrown out by a higher court since it violates the constitution.

    Its AMAZING the panic and fear that equal rights brings out in the nutters that they are so desperate to try stuff like this. Hell if your first way of violating rights gets defeated i guess you try to make up new ways. Sad and pathetic.

    Whats even more weird is there must be a lot of people behind close doors that are this silly to think like that or its another one of those things that politicians just THINK people want because of the squeaky wheels because I dont know anybody in real life that supports this violation of rights. Of course the people (religious/non) i personal know are just a small scale but there are none. In fact they opposes legislation like this and see its lunacy and its infringement on others.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    I don't think it's unreasonable panic or fear for people to take action to protect individual freedoms when there have been lawsuits and people punished for not providing services that went against their beliefs. In cases like the bakery that didn't want to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding (and not because they were homosexuals) should be considered a violation of the baker's personal freedoms and rights. Don't want the state pushing the morals of the public at large upon everyone by denying homosexuals marriage certificates? It should go both ways in that homosexuals or any other group can't demand forced servitude from individuals or force people to do things to cater to them that goes against the individuals beliefs. I don't think it's it's absurd to take measures to protect individual rights when such rights have been attacked in other areas.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate' - Fox 2 News Headlines



    'Religious freedom' measure moves forward in Michigan | MSNBC



    i doubt this even gets voted on in the senate but even if it does it will eventually be thrown out by a higher court since it violates the constitution.

    Its AMAZING the panic and fear that equal rights brings out in the nutters that they are so desperate to try stuff like this. Hell if your first way of violating rights gets defeated i guess you try to make up new ways. Sad and pathetic.

    Whats even more weird is there must be a lot of people behind close doors that are this silly to think like that or its another one of those things that politicians just THINK people want because of the squeaky wheels because I dont know anybody in real life that supports this violation of rights. Of course the people (religious/non) i personal know are just a small scale but there are none. In fact they opposes legislation like this and see its lunacy and its infringement on others.
    There's another thread about this already, and I know from prior threads that we won't see eye to eye, but I'll give it a shot...

    Doctors have rights. Patients have rights. You seem to think that the patient's rights to get something outweigh the doctor's rights to choose what services they provide. Your viewpoint suggests that doctors are "slaves" to the morality of their patients, and that is certainly not "equal rights."
    Aside from that, this "discrimination" BS the article discusses has nothing to do with the actual topic being addressed by the law. Doctors are asked to do things they find unethical. It isn't so much about the patient as the practice. This is not meant to say that people will be denied emergency care (as that is federally mandated), but that a doctor can CHOOSE not to treat a certain condition or provide certain treatments on an ethical basis. i.e. morning after pill, conception services, etc.

    The patient can always find another doctor.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat364 View Post
    There's another thread about this already, and I know from prior threads that we won't see eye to eye, but I'll give it a shot...

    Doctors have rights. Patients have rights. You seem to think that the patient's rights to get something outweigh the doctor's rights to choose what services they provide. Your viewpoint suggests that doctors are "slaves" to the morality of their patients, and that is certainly not "equal rights."
    Aside from that, this "discrimination" BS the article discusses has nothing to do with the actual topic being addressed by the law. Doctors are asked to do things they find unethical. It isn't so much about the patient as the practice. This is not meant to say that people will be denied emergency care (as that is federally mandated), but that a doctor can CHOOSE not to treat a certain condition or provide certain treatments on an ethical basis. i.e. morning after pill, conception services, etc.

    The patient can always find another doctor.

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    I don't believe that either article mentioned doctors, but both mentioned EMT's and if you've been in a car accident, not you may not have a choice to find a different EMT.


    [DISCLAIMER: I think Public Accommodation laws should be repealed, not special exceptions for someone to claim "religion" and hide behind that shield. Two people want to discriminate againts blacks. One claims a personal religious belief and they can do so. The other says "I just don't like blacks" and they can be found in violation of anti-discrimination laws. I don't see the difference.]



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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat364 View Post
    There's another thread about this already, and I know from prior threads that we won't see eye to eye, but I'll give it a shot...

    Doctors have rights. Patients have rights. You seem to think that the patient's rights to get something outweigh the doctor's rights to choose what services they provide. Your viewpoint suggests that doctors are "slaves" to the morality of their patients, and that is certainly not "equal rights."
    Aside from that, this "discrimination" BS the article discusses has nothing to do with the actual topic being addressed by the law. Doctors are asked to do things they find unethical. It isn't so much about the patient as the practice. This is not meant to say that people will be denied emergency care (as that is federally mandated), but that a doctor can CHOOSE not to treat a certain condition or provide certain treatments on an ethical basis. i.e. morning after pill, conception services, etc.

    The patient can always find another doctor.
    But that's not the case here. It isn't that the doctor is deciding not to provide services at all, it's that the doctor can decide to provide services to some people and not to other people based entirely on their arbitrarily declared religious beliefs. That means the doctor can decide not to provide medical care to black people or Jews or women. This isn't about a doctor deciding they don't want to perform abortions or some other procedure for anyone at any time, it's that they can decide to discriminate against some people and not against other people, in violation of established law.

    Sure, people can find another doctor but it still doesn't make it acceptable that religious beliefs make one able to ignore established law.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

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    Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate' - Fox 2 News Headlines



    'Religious freedom' measure moves forward in Michigan | MSNBC



    i doubt this even gets voted on in the senate but even if it does it will eventually be thrown out by a higher court since it violates the constitution.

    Its AMAZING the panic and fear that equal rights brings out in the nutters that they are so desperate to try stuff like this. Hell if your first way of violating rights gets defeated i guess you try to make up new ways. Sad and pathetic.
    I suspect it's more like the first volley in a longer battle: the religious zealots are probably trying to get this issue in front of the SCOTUS via a new state law.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate' - Fox 2 News Headlines



    'Religious freedom' measure moves forward in Michigan | MSNBC



    i doubt this even gets voted on in the senate but even if it does it will eventually be thrown out by a higher court since it violates the constitution.

    Its AMAZING the panic and fear that equal rights brings out in the nutters that they are so desperate to try stuff like this. Hell if your first way of violating rights gets defeated i guess you try to make up new ways. Sad and pathetic.

    Whats even more weird is there must be a lot of people behind close doors that are this silly to think like that or its another one of those things that politicians just THINK people want because of the squeaky wheels because I dont know anybody in real life that supports this violation of rights. Of course the people (religious/non) i personal know are just a small scale but there are none. In fact they opposes legislation like this and see its lunacy and its infringement on others.
    Yep, another ALEC, Alliance Defending Freedom and the like legislation. In AZ it was the evangelical backed Center for Arizona Policy group that tried to ram this down our throats...but the governor wisely vetoed it. Our incoming gov is in bed with these loons and will try to pass it here.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

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    But that's in the Religious Discussions forum where rational people cannot go because we get in trouble for questioning religion.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

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    1.)I don't think it's unreasonable panic or fear for people to take action to protect individual freedoms
    2.) when there have been lawsuits and people punished for not providing services that went against their beliefs.
    3.) In cases like the bakery that didn't want to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding (and not because they were homosexuals) should be considered a violation of the baker's personal freedoms and rights.
    4.) Don't want the state pushing the morals of the public at large upon everyone by denying homosexuals marriage certificates?
    5.) It should go both ways in that homosexuals or any other group can't demand forced servitude from individuals or force people to do things to cater to them that goes against the individuals beliefs.
    6.) I don't think it's it's absurd to take measures to protect individual rights when such rights have been attacked in other areas.
    it is because of the simply fact theres no "rights" in danger
    2.) the lawsuits were for violating the law and infringing on rights
    3.) no it should not has court cases of ruled. In business the same laws and rules apply to us ALL, i dont get SPECIAL treatment for being a christian
    4.) correct because the violates the 14
    5.) it already does unless one is biased. There is no forced servitude lol
    6.) they dont need protected because they already are nor have then been attacked.

    I LOVE how this is magically a concern now that gays are getting rights lol
    people made these same irrational and silly arguments for when other groups gained equal rights too. Those arguments failed in the end because they were inane and had no legal standing and the same will be true at the end of this.
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