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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It absolutely is. To force someone to engage in an association in which he would not choose to engage is a violation of his freedom of association.
    agood thing thats not happening, so now if you disagree we are waiting for the facts to prove your claim, your opinion and feeling on the matter. thanks
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    You've only continuing with this late to the party duplicate thread because your tactics are noticed in the original thread.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution is the highest law, and there is nothing in it that supports the idea that government can compel you to waive one right as a condition of being allowed to exercise another.
    I guess you missed the part that said "association" does not mean serving the public. We all still have freedom of association. Don't invite your gay neighbors over for that bar-b-que. It's within your right. It's within his rights not to invite you, an old white guy, over to his shindig. Freedom of assocation.

    Open a business to the "public," and you are no longer having a bar-b-que. You're not associating. You're doing business with the public. You, an individual, cannot define who is and who is not the public in our country.

    It is the law of the land. We don't have monarchy and dictators. We have the law. If you don't like it, give a big campaign donationa and have the law changed, as Rand Paul wants to do.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It is the law of the land. We don't have monarchy and dictators. We have the law. If you don't like it, give a big campaign donationa and have the law changed, as Rand Paul wants to do.
    you are correct, some people like to ignore the constitution though or only use it when it works for them
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think it's unreasonable panic or fear for people to take action to protect individual freedoms when there have been lawsuits and people punished for not providing services that went against their beliefs. In cases like the bakery that didn't want to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding (and not because they were homosexuals) should be considered a violation of the baker's personal freedoms and rights. Don't want the state pushing the morals of the public at large upon everyone by denying homosexuals marriage certificates? It should go both ways in that homosexuals or any other group can't demand forced servitude from individuals or force people to do things to cater to them that goes against the individuals beliefs. I don't think it's it's absurd to take measures to protect individual rights when such rights have been attacked in other areas.
    To make an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent upon the law's coincidence with his religious beliefs, except where the State's interest is 'compelling' - permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs, 'to become a law unto himself,' contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense.' To adopt a true 'compelling interest' requirement for laws that affect religious practice would lead towards anarchy."

    Tough to argue with that.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution is the highest law, and there is nothing in it that supports the idea that government can compel you to waive one right as a condition of being allowed to exercise another.
    I think logic takes care of that. If rights didn't have limits then there would be no rights. They'd cancel each other out.

    Take the freedom of speech and personal property rights. If freedom of speech were absolute, then you'd be free to say anything you want including false things that damage someone else's property. If property rights were absolute then even true statements that damaged your property would be banned. Everything is a check and a balance.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I guess you missed the part that said "association" does not mean serving the public.
    No, I didn't miss it. I dismissed it as obviously untrue, and unworthy of a response.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, I didn't miss it. I dismissed it as obviously untrue, and unworthy of a response.
    links? proof? facts?
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

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    I think logic takes care of that. If rights didn't have limits then there would be no rights. They'd cancel each other out.

    Take the freedom of speech and personal property rights. If freedom of speech were absolute, then you'd be free to say anything you want including false things that damage someone else's property. If property rights were absolute then even true statements that damaged your property would be banned. Everything is a check and a balance.
    There is nothing in the Constitution that supports any “right” to have someone be forced to do business with you who does not want to do business with you. Such a “right” would indeed be in direct conflict with freedom of association, which is strongly implied in the First Amendment, and in the cases under dispute, it is in conflict with freedom of religion, which is explicitly affirmed in the First Amendment.

    I find no rational basis for arguing that phony made-up “rights” can ever legitimately trump genuine Constitutionally-affirmed rights.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    1.)There is nothing in the Constitution that supports any “right” to have someone be forced to do business with you who does not want to do business with you. Such a “right” would indeed be in direct conflict with freedom of association, which is strongly implied in the First Amendment, and in the cases under dispute, it is in conflict with freedom of religion, which is explicitly affirmed in the First Amendment.
    2.) I find no rational basis for arguing that phony made-up “rights” can ever legitimately trump genuine Constitutionally-affirmed rights.
    1.) weird i dont see ONE single person using your made up strawman
    2.) agreed that's why your straw man fails and you cant support them with and facts whats so ever
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