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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Again, it's a case where people can say, "God doesn't want me to do it" instead of just admitting they have personal hatred for someone. This country makes me more and more sick every day.

    If you signed up to be medical personnel then you took an oath to do no harm. That comes first.

    If someone dies because some idiot puts their religion before their duty, I hope they get sued into oblivion or thrown into jail. In any other State that would be called negligent homicide. Religious people don't get to shirk the law.

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The patient has no rights if the doctor can just walk away, and what about emergency care? If the patient is unconscious? Yeah laws against it but this law contradicts that. This is incredibly heartless, not to mention the "doctor" would be violating hippocratic oath to refuse treatment to *anyone* Do you even think of this? No, because no med school would ever accept someone with your attitude. That's also the problem with our **** government these days. No doctors or similarly highly educated people in government, so this would not even occur to them.
    I imagine they could lose their professional license

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Freedom of Religion does not mean that human sacrifices are constitutionally protected. Nor does it mean that someone who does business with the public gets to discriminate against groups of customers.
    Freedom of religion (“freedom of conscience” would be a better term, actually) does mean that if government is going to compel a citizen to act in a manner which violates that citizens religious or moral beliefs, that government had better have a very, very good reason for doing so.

    Obviously, human sacrifice would not be protected under freedom of religion. As Will Rogers famously observed, one's right to swing one's fist ends where someone else's nose begins. No right extends to the point of using it to violate someone else's right.

    Freedom of association (which isn't explicitly stated in the First Amendment, but is rather universally agreed to be implied by the freedoms of religion, speech, and assembly) means that government is (or should be) severely constrained against dictating to anyone with whom me may, or must associate, or for what reasons.

    Discrimination is nothing more than making a choice not to associate with certain individuals. As such, I think government is unjustified in interfering with this legitimate exercise of freedom of association.

    One has a right to associate or not with whom one will. One never has a right to have someone else be forced to associate with him against his will.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    1.)It would be funny, if not for how destructive it has proven, the way those of you on the wrong think that the Constitution has to be blatantly violated, in order to uphold it.

    2.) Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of Association, you will happily throw under the bus
    3.) in order to uphold a nonexistent “right” to be an immoral sexual pervert and to force your wickedness on those who want no part of it.
    1.) equal rights cements and upholds the constitution as law, rights the constitution and the many many court cases prove, sorry you disagree but your feelings simply dont matter.
    2.) none of those rights are in danger
    3.) have no clue what right you made up here but nobody supports it. Its more dishonesty that nobody educated, honest and objective cares about or takes seriously. the actual right being protected is equal rights, again this is proven by law, rights the constitution and many court cases. Whats on your side again besides your opinion?
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    some think this SCOTUS wouldn't toss these laws after "hobby lobby" but that decision was tailored towards contraceptives specifically. If any lower court sides with a bigoted landlord or employer who violates the existing city/state anti discrimination law, then yeah, federal courts will strike it down.

    Michigan's government and citizenry has a "proud" history of spending its days creating discriminatory laws that get tossed out as unconstitutional. Gay marriage bans, DP benefits for employees, joint adoption, RFRA. Wonder when the hysterical christian persecution complex ends
    its really really sad that anybody could even convince themselves this is ok and needed. If gays never existed illegal discrimination would still exists and the rights of others would still exist but now all of a sudden that gays have equal rights this MAGICALLY gets invented like its a real issue. Its transparent as glass and nobody unbiased falls for it lol

    Im a christian and there are ZERO of my rights in danger based on equal rights . . . ZERO . . . why because they apply to me too, thats how equal rights works, we are ALL already covered. Theres NOBODY that has been able to show how my rights are in danger by equal rights for gays . . . nobody. . . .because its all made up

    In fact I challenge ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY who thinks otherwise to show how my rights are at risk because of equal rights . . they will fail because the "rights" the speak of are made up and dont exist
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    again just incase it was missed.

    seems some people keep saying, religious freedom and rights are in jeopardy, they are in danger . . .well what rights? How?
    nobody has been able to do this yet in any way


    I challenge anybody to show me how my rights as a christian are in danger or jeopardy because of equal rights . .. . sorry but that hyperbolic fear tactic is simply made up . . . but again if you disagree simply list the rights that are in danger/jeopardy and use FACTS to explain why . . . .
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

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    Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate' - Fox 2 News Headlines



    'Religious freedom' measure moves forward in Michigan | MSNBC



    i doubt this even gets voted on in the senate but even if it does it will eventually be thrown out by a higher court since it violates the constitution.

    Its AMAZING the panic and fear that equal rights brings out in the nutters that they are so desperate to try stuff like this. Hell if your first way of violating rights gets defeated i guess you try to make up new ways. Sad and pathetic.

    Whats even more weird is there must be a lot of people behind close doors that are this silly to think like that or its another one of those things that politicians just THINK people want because of the squeaky wheels because I dont know anybody in real life that supports this violation of rights. Of course the people (religious/non) i personal know are just a small scale but there are none. In fact they opposes legislation like this and see its lunacy and its infringement on others.
    Hmmmm. Looks like it's aimed at gays. But like anything, it could be used not to, for example, serve a meal to an interracial couple at a cafe. Or a woman wearing pants, since she might be gay. Or a woman with cut hair (some religions hold that women should never cut their hair).

    I hope it doesn't pass, since it would violate our equal rights laws. Freedom and liberty and all that, for all. That includes freedom from others' religious beliefs.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Anyone remember the last time a religious organization fought for something good? All it ever seems to be is trying to keep gays out of society and women subordinate.
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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its really really sad that anybody could even convince themselves this is ok and needed. If gays never existed illegal discrimination would still exists and the rights of others would still exist but now all of a sudden that gays have equal rights this MAGICALLY gets invented like its a real issue. Its transparent as glass and nobody unbiased falls for it lol

    Im a christian and there are ZERO of my rights in danger based on equal rights . . . ZERO . . . why because they apply to me too, thats how equal rights works, we are ALL already covered. Theres NOBODY that has been able to show how my rights are in danger by equal rights for gays . . . nobody. . . .because its all made up

    In fact I challenge ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY who thinks otherwise to show how my rights are at risk because of equal rights . . they will fail because the "rights" the speak of are made up and dont exist
    Yeah, i had never heard of "RFRA" until the fiasco in arizona and even john mccain admitted it was anti gay law. I see that only a handful of states had these laws, going back to 1993, but now that gay marriage is becoming "imposed" on them, over a dozen states suddenly pass or are voting on "RFRA"

    But yeah, it's so shortsighted and reactionary, and the bills so poorly crafted that it could become free for all. Christians too might be denied service because some muslim or atheist baker tells them get lost. Watch the reactions then what that happens. The legislators and bigot voters will be stumbling over each other to repeal these laws

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    Re: Pending state religious freedom act a 'license to discriminate'

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah, i had never heard of "RFRA" until the fiasco in arizona and even john mccain admitted it was anti gay law. I see that only a handful of states had these laws, going back to 1993, but now that gay marriage is becoming "imposed" on them, over a dozen states suddenly pass or are voting on "RFRA"

    But yeah, it's so shortsighted and reactionary, and the bills so poorly crafted that it could become free for all. Christians too might be denied service because some muslim or atheist baker tells them get lost. Watch the reactions then what that happens. The legislators and bigot voters will be stumbling over each other to repeal these laws

    exactly!

    and THIS christian simply isnt biased and or uneducated enough to think that i don't ALREADY have my rights protected because I do. Like I said in the end these things will get removed, challenged and thrown out also.

    Thats the best part, its poetic justice .... .the fact of the matter is equal rights pertaining to gays have made HUGE strides BECAUSE of the bannings, without them it would have been a harder path. The retards and bigots that put the bannings in place actually HELPED establish equal rights. Its hilarious.
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