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    Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    (Reuters) - Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev called on Wednesday for a U.S.-Russia summit to be convened to prevent a deep freeze in Moscow's relations with the West over the Ukrainecrisis.

    "This is extremely dangerous, with tensions as high as they are now. We may not live through these days: someone could lose their nerve," he wrote in a commentary entitled "To unfreeze relations" for government daily Rossiyskaya Gazeta.
    "I suggest the leaders of Russia and the United States think about holding a summit with a broad agenda, without preliminary conditions," he wrote. "One needn't be afraid of 'losing face', that someone will gain a propaganda victory: this should all belong to the past. One needs to think about the future."

    "Judging by recent statements, diplomats on both sides are bracing for long-term confrontation," wrote Gorbachev, who is widely respected abroad but has few backers in Russia.


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    Good ol Gorby. Many times the voice of reason in the international sphere. I will stand behind his statements. I do believe Russia and the US need to sit down with a broad agenda. I think it should cover everything from Ukraine, Russia roll in Eastern Europe, sanctions, economic influence, the US roll in Eastern Europe, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Good ol Gorby. Many times the voice of reason in the international sphere. I will stand behind his statements. I do believe Russia and the US need to sit down with a broad agenda. I think it should cover everything from Ukraine, Russia roll in Eastern Europe, sanctions, economic influence, the US roll in Eastern Europe, etc. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Ukraine is primarily a problem between the Europeans and russia. The US role in Eastern Europe is primarily between the US and the Eastern Europeans cum Nato. The problems Russia is creating have very little to do with the US except in the Russians minds. It has everything to do with the Russian approach to a world order, with a communal responsibility to protect populations from excess of their governments. Russia believes that we need to go towards a multi polar structure and not to a communal structure of multilateralism and a robust structure of mutual security.

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    first off, the Crimea thing is Europe's problem. the US can only **** that whole thing up by getting involved. also, we shouldn't have any more say in that than Russia should if we decide to make Puerto Rico a state.

    secondly, we need to stop trying to **** up Russia's economy. i mean, come on, we don't need another cold war, and we definitely don't want to destabilize Russia. if they did that to us, we'd probably consider it an act of war.

    i shudder at some of the things we do on the global stage. it would be nice if we could stop ****ing around with the world and just focus on stuff like fixing the bridges, developing new energy tech, and making sure everyone has access to health care without going broke. you know, like be a country for a while.

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    Good on Gorbachev, it all comes down to what Putin wants to do. As long as he wants the USSR 2.2: Capitalist Edition, things won't ever get rosy. But they can surely improve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post

    secondly, we need to stop trying to **** up Russia's economy. i mean, come on, we don't need another cold war, and we definitely don't want to destabilize Russia. if they did that to us, we'd probably consider it an act of war.
    You say that like the sanctions are for ****s and giggles, as if they were born out of a "just because" feeling. Putin needs to stop messing around in the former soviet bloc and guess what, no sanctions. Though, to be fair, ain't no one going to war over Ukraine.

    @bold:If they could even make the attempt to, they would. By they, I mean Putin and his crew, I'm not aiming this at the Russian people.

    I mostly agree with you that we shouldn't **** around so much on the global stage, but we're the biggest player on the scene and are tied to situations beyond our hemisphere -- we simply need to act wiser. Also, I second focusing on infrastructure and so on, badly needed.
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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    first off, the Crimea thing is Europe's problem. the US can only **** that whole thing up by getting involved.
    I wonder how many people had the same sentiments about Poland in 1939

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I wonder how many people had the same sentiments about Poland in 1939
    It received essentially the same reaction.
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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    first off, the Crimea thing is Europe's problem. the US can only **** that whole thing up by getting involved. also, we shouldn't have any more say in that than Russia should if we decide to make Puerto Rico a state.

    secondly, we need to stop trying to **** up Russia's economy. i mean, come on, we don't need another cold war, and we definitely don't want to destabilize Russia. if they did that to us, we'd probably consider it an act of war.

    i shudder at some of the things we do on the global stage. it would be nice if we could stop ****ing around with the world and just focus on stuff like fixing the bridges, developing new energy tech, and making sure everyone has access to health care without going broke. you know, like be a country for a while.
    Sounds like the isolationists during the late 1930s when Germany was invading their neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    It received essentially the same reaction.
    And clearly it was a mistake. The reason germany gave for invading poland is the same as russia has given for invading ukraine. Now Putin isnt a stupid as Hitler but hes just as power hungry at some point we are going to have to take a stand hopefully we will grow a pair before it gets out of hand again.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Good ol Gorby. Many times the voice of reason in the international sphere. I will stand behind his statements. I do believe Russia and the US need to sit down with a broad agenda. I think it should cover everything from Ukraine, Russia roll in Eastern Europe, sanctions, economic influence, the US roll in Eastern Europe, etc. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Thats nice but it wont prevent Putin from owning Obama.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Ukraine is primarily a problem between the Europeans and russia. The US role in Eastern Europe is primarily between the US and the Eastern Europeans cum Nato. The problems Russia is creating have very little to do with the US except in the Russians minds. It has everything to do with the Russian approach to a world order, with a communal responsibility to protect populations from excess of their governments. Russia believes that we need to go towards a multi polar structure and not to a communal structure of multilateralism and a robust structure of mutual security.
    I think you're full of crap. US CorpGov (NWO) wants to control the World through Central Bankers and MultiNational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex. To the rest of the world, we're called the Empire. Gee, I wonder why? US paper type money represents about 30% of world currency and with the EU and Japan the Central Banks control about 60% of the World's currency. They are attempting to exert world wide control with those Central Banks. They didn't ask anyone to vote on this. Not me, not Grandma, not some anonymous Russian or Greek, just gonna do it before the debts overwhelm the Empire. I'm an isolationist and feel we have gone nuts, as a Nation, but it is great business for the USA's largest and most prolific and powerful Industry, the Weapons Industry.

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