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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    those who cannot learn from the past are condemned to repeat it, as well.
    Chamberlain never learned from prior episodes that appeasement only further emboldens your enemy.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    It's funny to watch conservatives who have never left the US tell people that Putin owned Obama. The best part is that Putin has become a joke even in his own country. Here's Russia's economy as of late:

    Ruble crisis lends itself to Russian jokes - The Washington Post

    “What do Russian President Vladimir Putin, the price of oil, and the ruble's value against the dollar have in common," opens one pithy wisecrack that recently made it from behind closed doors into a Bloomberg news story. “They’ll all hit 63 next year.”

    In general, the classic style of joking in Russia relies less on one-liners than it does on cheeky rhymed couplets and sardonic allegory immediately recognizable to locals.

    “Autumn has flown away/Winter has come too/The Euro is 64/And the dollar, 52,” Andrei Bystrov, an opposition activist, tweeted last week – a verse Russia’s independent television channel Dozhd named one of the crisis’ funniest quips. (We added a word to make it rhyme in English.) The ruble has even less buying power now: Today, one dollar is worth almost 54 rubles, and one euro is worth more than 66 rubles
    the Russian central bank has found it difficult or impossible to access international capital markets at rates it finds acceptable. Indeed, the central bank is forecasting a recession next year.

    Read more: Putin
    Can you imagine if tomorrow, your savings became worth a 3rd of what they were 1 year ago? The best part is that Russia believes this isn't due to the economic sanctions levied by the US and the EU. Yeah, this is the guy that's going to "own" Obama. Rofl, get a clue kids.
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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think every nation is Nazi Germany, but I do think you sound exactly like neville chamberlain. And no, Im not advocating for military intervention in Russsia.
    i don't really care what you think i sound like. what i do care about is reversing the course that interventionists have set us on, because we always seem to be arriving at the same destination.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Chamberlain never learned from prior episodes that appeasement only further emboldens your enemy.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative
    I dont think every nation is Nazi Germany
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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't really care what you think i sound like. what i do care about is reversing the course that interventionists have set us on, because we always seem to be arriving at the same destination.
    What you care about is surrendering to our enemies and tucking tail. This is essentially dangerous when your nation is the most powerful in the world-because it invites intervention from other less savory players.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

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    Too subtle for you?

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What you care about is surrendering to our enemies and tucking tail. This is essentially dangerous when your nation is the most powerful in the world-because it invites intervention from other less savory players.
    no. what i care about is not allowing regional hegemons to abdicate doing their ****ing job. i also care about not signing us up for an endless war on the credit card with the next extremest group.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no. what i care about is not allowing regional hegemons to abdicate doing their ****ing job. i also care about not signing us up for an endless war on the credit card with the next extremest group.
    If they dont do their job, someone else will. Welcome to reality, I realize it diverges quite a bit from liberal utopia but its where we are.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

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    If they dont do their job, someone else will. Welcome to reality, I realize it diverges quite a bit from liberal utopia but its where we are.
    we should not voluntarily assume a regional role in a region that is not our responsibility.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we should not voluntarily assume a regional role in a region that is not our responsibility.
    I agree, unless they pick a fight-which they have. Now they need to be exposed to large amounts of kinetic energy to get the message.

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