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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think you're full of crap. US CorpGov (NWO) wants to control the World through Central Bankers and MultiNational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex. To the rest of the world, we're called the Empire. Gee, I wonder why? US paper type money represents about 30% of world currency and with the EU and Japan the Central Banks control about 60% of the World's currency. They are attempting to exert world wide control with those Central Banks. They didn't ask anyone to vote on this. Not me, not Grandma, not some anonymous Russian or Greek, just gonna do it before the debts overwhelm the Empire. I'm an isolationist and feel we have gone nuts, as a Nation, but it is great business for the USA's largest and most prolific and powerful Industry, the Weapons Industry.
    It is a sinister conspiracy for some. For everyone it is the system that feeds them, even those that hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Good on Gorbachev, it all comes down to what Putin wants to do. As long as he wants the USSR 2.2: Capitalist Edition, things won't ever get rosy. But they can surely improve.


    You say that like the sanctions are for ****s and giggles, as if they were born out of a "just because" feeling. Putin needs to stop messing around in the former soviet bloc and guess what, no sanctions. Though, to be fair, ain't no one going to war over Ukraine.
    no, they were done out of a sense of "let's look like we're doing something."

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    @bold:If they could even make the attempt to, they would. By they, I mean Putin and his crew, I'm not aiming this at the Russian people.

    I mostly agree with you that we shouldn't **** around so much on the global stage, but we're the biggest player on the scene and are tied to situations beyond our hemisphere -- we simply need to act wiser. Also, I second focusing on infrastructure and so on, badly needed.
    we need to become a country again so that the world stops looking at us to solve every problem. for free. we agree on nation building here, though.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I wonder how many people had the same sentiments about Poland in 1939
    Godwinned by post five. let me know when Putin takes France and starts bombing London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Sounds like the isolationists during the late 1930s when Germany was invading their neighbors.
    Godwinned again at 7.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Godwinned again at 7.
    He's still right.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He's still right.
    i'm aware of your neoconservative worldview in which every American adversary is Nazi Germany. like most neoconservative interventionists, your arguments entirely ignore the concept of nuance in favor of monochromatic absolutes. unfortunately, global issues are infinitely more complex than that. and equally unfortunately, we keep electing politicians who also do not grasp that concept.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Godwinned by post five. let me know when Putin takes France and starts bombing London.
    It has nothing to do with Nazi's only the similar situations and attitudes towards them. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    It has nothing to do with Nazi's only the similar situations and attitudes towards them. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    those who cannot learn from the past are condemned to repeat it, as well.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Fair enough. Let's have a summit. The agenda: The Ukraine joins NATO, the Russian troops withdraw, and people in the Crimea hold an election to decide whether they want to be Russian or not.

    Oh, and the west will lift the sanctions as soon as those three things happen.

    Sounds fair to me.
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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm aware of your neoconservative worldview in which every American adversary is Nazi Germany. like most neoconservative interventionists, your arguments entirely ignore the concept of nuance in favor of monochromatic absolutes. unfortunately, global issues are infinitely more complex than that. and equally unfortunately, we keep electing politicians who also do not grasp that concept.
    I dont think every nation is Nazi Germany, but I do think you sound exactly like neville chamberlain. And no, Im not advocating for military intervention in Russsia.

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