Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 133

Thread: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

  1. #111
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Good ol Gorby. Many times the voice of reason in the international sphere. I will stand behind his statements. I do believe Russia and the US need to sit down with a broad agenda. I think it should cover everything from Ukraine, Russia roll in Eastern Europe, sanctions, economic influence, the US roll in Eastern Europe, etc. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    IMO, former President Gorbachev means well. Unfortunately, the differences between Russia and the United States are so fundamental, a summit that is merely about talking probably won't accomplish much, assuming it would be held at all. That both President Putin and President Obama have all but personalized the differences has further worsened the situation. Instead, both countries would need to work in advance to create a concrete agenda for a summit that their Presidents could then agree upon so that a degree of progress is made. Progress might slow or reverse the continuing deterioration in the bilateral relationship, but the fundamental differences concerning Ukraine won't be bridged anytime soon regardless of whom leads either country.

    Personally, the kind of sophisticated understanding that both countries' leaders had of the other country and the respect that they had for one another's critical interests during the closing decades of the Cold War is currently lacking for a variety of reasons. I suspect this gap has led to miscalculations that further exacerbated the situation.

  2. #112
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post


    More vapid rhetoric, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
    Kobie, throughout history people have buried their heads in the sand and appeased dictators. In this, you share much with those who came before you. Sadly it makes things worse.

  3. #113
    The Dude
    Kobie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Western NY
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    42,893

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, throughout history people have buried their heads in the sand and appeased dictators. In this, you share much with those who came before you. Sadly it makes things worse.
    I assume, then, you will be signing up to serve in the war you desperately want, lest we be "appeasers."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

  4. #114
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, former President Gorbachev means well. Unfortunately, the differences between Russia and the United States are so fundamental, a summit that is merely about talking probably won't accomplish much, assuming it would be held at all. That both President Putin and President Obama have all but personalized the differences has further worsened the situation. Instead, both countries would need to work in advance to create a concrete agenda for a summit that their Presidents could then agree upon so that a degree of progress is made. Progress might slow or reverse the continuing deterioration in the bilateral relationship, but the fundamental differences concerning Ukraine won't be bridged anytime soon regardless of whom leads either country.

    Personally, the kind of sophisticated understanding that both countries' leaders had of the other country and the respect that they had for one another's critical interests during the closing decades of the Cold War is currently lacking for a variety of reasons. I suspect this gap has led to miscalculations that further exacerbated the situation.
    Indeed. I think Putin understands Obama much more than the other way around. Its when the sunshine and rainbows of leftism comes up against tanks and jets.
    Russian troops, tanks rolling into Ukraine, says NATO | Toronto Star

  5. #115
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I assume, then, you will be signing up to serve in the war you desperately want, lest we be "appeasers."
    I already said I dont want war, Kobie. But the reality is the reality. What you are really saying is you are willing to appease Putin by allowing him to forcibly take other nations. Can't say i'm surprised.

  6. #116
    The Dude
    Kobie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Western NY
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    42,893

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I already said I dont want war, Kobie. But the reality is the reality. What you are really saying is you are willing to appease Putin by allowing him to forcibly take other nations. Can't say i'm surprised.
    Not what I said at all, but please, continue telling me what I really think. I SO want to hear more.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

  7. #117
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not what I said at all, but please, continue telling me what I really think. I SO want to hear more.
    Its not what you said, its what you support. Actions kobie, they matter-and yes, doing nothing is an action. Perhaps you too wish to relive mother Russia's glory days, eh?

  8. #118
    The Dude
    Kobie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Western NY
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    42,893

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its not what you said, its what you support. Actions kobie, they matter-and yes, doing nothing is an action. Perhaps you too wish to relive mother Russia's glory days, eh?
    Please link to the post where I said "do nothing."

    It never stops with you. It really never does. You'd think I'd know better by now than expect a shred of honesty from you on any topic.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

  9. #119
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,461

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Please link to the post where I said "do nothing."

    It never stops with you. It really never does. You'd think I'd know better by now than expect a shred of honesty from you on any topic.
    Link us to a post where you proposed doing something, anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  10. #120
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Please link to the post where I said "do nothing."

    It never stops with you. It really never does. You'd think I'd know better by now than expect a shred of honesty from you on any topic.
    Cool story bro. Wipe those eyes and tell us what you support (besides nothing).

Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •