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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    If Russia were doing in Mexico or Cuba or Canada what we have been doing for years in Ukraine and Georgia, we would have convened an emergency session of the UN Security Council, or just gone ahead and started WWIII.
    I've lived in Ukraine. I'm curious to know what dastardly deeds the US has been doing there "for years" that's even remotely close to what Russia has done there just this year alone?


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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I've lived in Ukraine. I'm curious to know what dastardly deeds the US has been doing there "for years" that's even remotely close to what Russia has done there just this year alone?
    We recently concluded military exercises in Latvia and other Baltic States. Our support for the bastard Kiev government is plain to see.

    Are you familiar with what weapons have been delivered by NATO to Ukraine?

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    We recently concluded military exercises in Latvia and other Baltic States. Our support for the bastard Kiev government is plain to see.

    Are you familiar with what weapons have been delivered by NATO to Ukraine?
    to add, before the trouble over there ever started....John McCain was over there ramble rousing.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    We recently concluded military exercises in Latvia and other Baltic States. Our support for the bastard Kiev government is plain to see.
    The Baltic States are NATO. You didn't answer my query. What dastardly deeds has the US been doing in Ukraine "for years" as you claimed?


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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Baltic States are NATO. You didn't answer my query. What dastardly deeds has the US been doing in Ukraine "for years" as you claimed?
    Weakening and helping overthrow legitimate governments. Sending Victoria Nuland as Ambassador.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't support this along as Obama is Prez. Forget it!
    Of course you dont.


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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Weakening and helping overthrow legitimate governments. Sending Victoria Nuland as Ambassador.
    Nuland is the US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs and has been to dozens of countries in these regions. So what?


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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    stop pretending that we can or should do anything about this. we could collapse Russia's entire economy, and Crimea would still be part of Russia if that's what the region wants. and if it's not what the region wants, then Europe should be handling it, not us.
    Therein lies the problem: Europe won't do anything. They always expect us to step up first before moving in to assist, and they use baby steps when doing THAT.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    If Russia were doing in Mexico or Cuba or Canada what we have been doing for years in Ukraine and Georgia, we would have convened an emergency session of the UN Security Council, or just gone ahead and started WWIII.

    Gorbachev is correct.
    What the hell are you yelping about? We haven't done anything "for years" in Ukraine and Georgia.

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    Re: Gorbachev calls for U.S.-Russia summit to defrost ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And yet, Russia is in trouble economically due to the sanctions imposed by the west.

    Modern warfare between powerful nations is economic, not military. Military conflict between Russia and the US could lead to some pretty serious consequences, as anyone can see.

    and, Russia is losing the economic war just now. It seems to me that we're doing exactly what needs to be done.
    Well, we are told about this economic impact being highly effective but this isn't just a economic issue-people are dying in eastern ukraine in some of the most intense fighting of the last 20 years for nationalism. There are many reasons why people fight.

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