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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

VanceMack said:
Call it whatever you want as long as someone else has to do it.
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I'm not sure what that means. In reality, no one has to do it, and no one should do it, certainly not anyone who is loyal to any of the world's great democracies.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh, the timing of the release was political, sure. That doesn't mean that the report itself is not credible.

And, there was more to it than waterboarding, and more to it than just Democrats trying to make Republicans look bad. What did the Republicans' 2008 pick to run for the WH have to say on the issue, for example?

Saying that the report is false, that tor.. I mean sharp interrogation (see post above for that one) didn't happen is just politics as well.
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So tell me, do you approve of having a conclusion then fitting your "facts" around it?
 
Uncensored2008 said:
How are they "insane?"




As stated dozens of times, Feinstein comes close to treason. I don't believe it could win in a court of law, yet it astounds me that some are so partisan as to defend her acts.
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Yes, you've stated it dozens of times, and you've been hysterically wrong each time.
 
cpwill said:
Good Idea!

So..... who do you think is going to pony up for this brave new world?
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It is an uphill fight. The first steps have been taken, but it is not going to be easy.
 
j-mac said:
So tell me, do you approve of having a conclusion then fitting your "facts" around it?
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That's not what was done in this case.

Are you going to seriously argue that there was no "sharper interrogation", really?
 
Dittohead not! said:
VEO?
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Sorry - "Violent Extremist Organization". It's the way that we avoid saying things like "Islamic Terrorist Networks". :)

Well, causation is difficult to prove, even when it's just common sense, but we've been killing suspected terrorists with drones for some time now. Are there more or fewer terrorists now than there were before we started the "war on terror"?
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The problem being, once you break it out, you get more terrorists when terrorist groups are perceived as being successful, and fewer when they are perceived as losing.
 
Ikari said:
Decades of intervention, decades of presence spotted with military presence, a current war that has lasted itself more than a decade and where are we? Are terrorists beaten? No? So we should continue intervening in this same manner, but it will totally be different this time?

Don't buy it. All our wars, all our bombings, all our military campaigns, all our political pressure decade after decade has solved nothing. Doing more of the same will do nothing.
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Nothing, huh. When was the last time Israel went to war with Egypt?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Agreed. You don't go to war unless you're in it to win.

WWII, the enemy attacked the homeland, the Congress declared war on the perpetrators, and the entire country was on war footing. In four years, the enemy was defeated.

Iraq, an enemy that was not allied with Iraq attacked the homeland, no war was declared, we went in to try to remake the country into a democracy, and 13 years later the enemy is stronger than ever. That's not the way to conduct a war.
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No, in Iraq we had defeated not one but two sets of enemies in an 8 year span, but then left, and allowed the second to regenerate, which it did rapidly. Presenting it as though it were some straight upward-graph line in "ISIL power" is false.
 
joG said:
It is an uphill fight. The first steps have been taken, but it is not going to be easy.
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um... yeah.... so, what good actors are going to step in and fill the security void? Is Germany going to do it? Spain? Japan? Does Australia have that kind of projection capacity?


The US is the indispensable nation at this point. None of the people that you would want to project stability are capable of the task, even if they were willing.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That's not what was done in this case.
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That is exactly what was done with this report...

Rich Lowery makes an excellent point in this article:

Dianne Feinstein's Travesty | National Review Online

Also a good back and forth with Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume on this here:

[video]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/10/brit_hume_cia_torture_report_never_talked_to_accus ed_like_rolling_stone_uva_rape_article.html#ooid=p ycm43cjpvVoMlexx_weRvqexbNy60Un[/video]

But, don't take my word for it...Many are asserting that this report was written solely by Demo staffers, starting with the conclusions that wanted to show, and either omitted information, or massaged information to fit their conclusion.

Sorry that is inconvenient for you.

Are you going to seriously argue that there was no "sharper interrogation", really?
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That's a strawman argument. I never said that, and if you can point to where I did, then I'll address that ridiculous claim.
 
j-mac said:
But, don't take my word for it...Many are asserting that this report was written solely by Demo staffers, starting with the conclusions that wanted to show, and either omitted information, or massaged information to fit their conclusion.

Sorry that is inconvenient for you.
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I don't give a rat's ass what "many" (read: right-wing water carriers) are "asserting" unless they can provide a shred of evidence that what they're asserting is in any way true.
 
Kobie said:
I don't give a rat's ass what "many" (read: right-wing water carriers) are "asserting" unless they can provide a shred of evidence that what they're asserting is in any way true.
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LOL, laughable Kobie....Are you saying this is a bipartisan report?
 
Kobie said:
Evidence that they omitted/massaged information, smart guy.
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Did they interview anyone involved? Anyone? No. Was this a bipartisan report? No. Case closed...It's garbage.
 
j-mac said:
Did they interview anyone involved? Anyone? No. Was this a bipartisan report? No. Case closed...It's garbage.
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Reports that aren't bipartisan are garbage? I'll remember that the next time the GOP releases its next Benghazi bukkake.
 
Kobie said:
What?
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Your words. The Bolded. Was the question to difficult. Does it need to be simpler?



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Evidence that they omitted/massaged information, smart guy.
 
MMC said:
Your words. The Bolded. Was the question to difficult. Does it need to be simpler?



Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post

Evidence that they omitted/massaged information, smart guy.
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The question was unintelligible gibberish. Good day.
 
Kobie said:
The question was unintelligible gibberish. Good day.
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No it wasn't . It was a simple question. But thanks for showing how you can't handle the simplest of questions.

This will be some help to all those on the Right when they see you come round. Thanks again!
 
MMC said:
No it wasn't . It was a simple question. But thanks for showing how you can't handle the simplest of questions.

This will be some help to all those on the Right when they see you come round. Thanks again!
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Yes, it was. "Hillary's Smart Power"? Wtf?

Is it that hard for you to just post like a literate human being?
 
JasperL said:
I guess we have a little different opinion about what the basic ideals of the country you fought for. If this is what my country stands for, then I'm ashamed: "We should have tortured them. We should have executed them on live TV and showed the world that we are not playing around anymore."

That's the kind of place that the people we're fighting would applaud. Stalin, Hitler, and our enemies in the ME would approve. We're better than that.
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Apples and oranges. We are not trying to take their countries from them. They are terrorist, they represent no country. They have attacked us unprovoked and we have every right to defend ourselves.
 
Kobie said:
Yes, it was. "Hillary's Smart Power"? Wtf?

Is it that hard for you to just post like a literate human being?
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What was difficult, so hard, about that the question? What couldn't you understand about it that the majority around here doesn't have any trouble with? Why do you have more trouble than 90% of the members here?

What is it that you are not telling us about the way you take in information?
 
Kobie said:
Reports that aren't bipartisan are garbage? I'll remember that the next time the GOP releases its next Benghazi bukkake.
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The Benghazi report wasn't bi-partisan?
 
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