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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

j-mac said:
Bin Laden was killed in part as a direct result of intel we garnered from this interrogation technique.
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Do we have to link were that wasn't really true again?
 
cpwill said:
If reams of released information and the testimony of everyone who actually put the intelligence into action isn't going to convince you, nothing is. Hell, there have been entire books written on this.
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You know as well as I do, nothing verifiable has ever been but out. It's all smoke and no meat, and each has been shown as that.
 
This thread is a gross display of typical right wing authoritarianism at its finest. Couple that with all the BS talk right wingers do about the constitution this and the constitution that... all bullcrap. Such a hurry to trash the law when it means pretending to be tough.

You guys run around touting all this constitutional knowledge and how Obama is running afoul of the constitution with the healthcare law or immigration. You guys know nothing. Obama HAS broke the constitution. He killed an American citizen abroad without due process. That is unconstitutional. Don't hear you guys bitching about that. Because you guys have to stay quiet when he's doing things you like ohhhhh like trashing the constitution to kill someone.

Bunch of partisan hacks you guys are who are all as oblivious to facts as you are the constitution and the rule of law in any manner.
 
poweRob said:
This thread is a gross display of typical right wing authoritarianism at its finest. Couple that with all the BS talk right wingers do about the constitution this and the constitution that... all bullcrap. Such a hurry to trash the law when it means pretending to be tough.

You guys run around touting all this constitutional knowledge and how Obama is running afoul of the constitution with the healthcare law or immigration. You guys know nothing. Obama HAS broke the constitution. He killed an American citizen abroad without due process. That is unconstitutional. Don't hear you guys bitching about that. Because you guys have to stay quiet when he's doing things you like ohhhhh like trashing the constitution to kill someone.

Bunch of partisan hacks you guys are who are all as oblivious to facts as you are the constitution and the rule of law in any manner.
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What a crock of ****.....People bitched When BO Peep killed an American overseas. Some did so Right here. Did you want to bring up the old threads, So that you won't be out of your depth?


For some.....they dont have to pretend to be tuff. But then I doubt I would see you on any front line in a Civil War.....huh tuff guy?
 
poweRob said:
Again... just rename things to dodge law. Don't ever speak of the constitution in any manner ever again. You have no credibility in that area now.
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No one is renaming anything the Geneva convention gives specific qualifications to fall under its protections

Be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates
Have a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance
Carry any weapons openly
Conduct operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war

Maybe you should read something before you try to lecture someone on it, that goes for the constitution as well as Im sure you havent read it either
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Im sure this website is very objective
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Exclusive: Former Spies Launch

More spin by the CIA.
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I'm sure it is likely just as objective as the no interview Democrat led review of documents. Perhaps you could take a moment to review the reports linked at the site. I found them an interesting counter to what the Democrats gleaned from their documents only effort.
 
Boo Radley said:
Those were proven false years ago. We actual got most that Intel by other means. Like I said, present something verifiable.
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LOL

Like you said? Epic FAIL

The reports found on the website I linked provide a verifiable cross referenced counter view to what is contained in the Democrats no human interview review of documents. They provide a thought provoking review of the effort the Democrats were making and the issues they were ignoring.

Rational, non agenda driven people would take the time to compare the two sides to the issue. It's obvious your not in that class.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we get another nasty letter from the UN about this. Russia has been using the UN to throw daggers at us daily. I expect another well drafted letter about our human rights violations. It should spark another fun thread of who needs the UN anyways.
 
Blue_State said:
I wouldn't be surprised if we get another nasty letter from the UN about this. Russia has been using the UN to throw daggers at us daily. I expect another well drafted letter about our human rights violations. It should spark another fun thread of who needs the UN anyways.
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Mornin' Blue State. :2wave: Iran jumped out yesterday and gave us a little rubbin.
 
Boo Radley said:
You know as well as I do, nothing verifiable has ever been but out. It's all smoke and no meat, and each has been shown as that.
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:shrug: You know as well as I do that I have linked and demonstrated it all for you before, but you cling to hypothetical counterfactuals as a defense.

poweRob said:
This thread is a gross display of typical right wing authoritarianism at its finest. Couple that with all the BS talk right wingers do about the constitution this and the constitution that... all bullcrap. Such a hurry to trash the law when it means pretending to be tough.

You guys run around touting all this constitutional knowledge and how Obama is running afoul of the constitution with the healthcare law or immigration. You guys know nothing. Obama HAS broke the constitution. He killed an American citizen abroad without due process. That is unconstitutional. Don't hear you guys bitching about that. Because you guys have to stay quiet when he's doing things you like ohhhhh like trashing the constitution to kill someone.

Bunch of partisan hacks you guys are who are all as oblivious to facts as you are the constitution and the rule of law in any manner.
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:roll: no.

A) If you decide to engage in warfare against America, we can kill you. Abraham Lincoln didn't feel the need to capture and put every Confederate soldier on trial, he ordered the Union army to use cannons to blast them into tiny pieces of bloody meat.

B) If in fact we were acting as partisan hacks, then we would be seeking partisan advantage, and attacking Obama as having taken an unconstitutional action when he killed that guy, instead of agreeing that the move was probably the right one. So your claims are self-contradicting.

Seriously. Usually your posts are at least pretty well thought out - did you skip your Wheaties this morning?
 
MMC said:
Heya Pero. :2wave: Did you find that one link where most of the harsh tactics were removed under Bush Junior?
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I never really went looking for it. But I was amazed at the number of Americans these days that approve of the use of torture, over half. So what was the motive for releasing the report? The program had been stopped for a good 7 years or there about. Everyone knew we were using these techniques. The report isn't going to change anyone's mind on how they view these things. All it might do is get third countries who were helping us to stop, can't trust us. Maybe become an recruiting tool for ISIS, AQ and the like and hinder our intelligence gathering.

This was just the Democratic summary of the full report. We'll see what happens, good, bad or indifferent.
 
Perotista said:
I never really went looking for it. But I was amazed at the number of Americans these days that approve of the use of torture, over half. So what was the motive for releasing the report? The program had been stopped for a good 7 years or there about. Everyone knew we were using these techniques. The report isn't going to change anyone's mind on how they view these things. All it might do is get third countries who were helping us to stop, can't trust us. Maybe become an recruiting tool for ISIS, AQ and the like and hinder our intelligence gathering.

This was just the Democratic summary of the full report. We'll see what happens, good, bad or indifferent.
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That's what I've been asking as well. What specifically was the purpose of the release of the report now?
 
Perotista said:
I never really went looking for it. But I was amazed at the number of Americans these days that approve of the use of torture, over half. So what was the motive for releasing the report? The program had been stopped for a good 7 years or there about. Everyone knew we were using these techniques. The report isn't going to change anyone's mind on how they view these things. All it might do is get third countries who were helping us to stop, can't trust us. Maybe become an recruiting tool for ISIS, AQ and the like and hinder our intelligence gathering.

This was just the Democratic summary of the full report. We'll see what happens, good, bad or indifferent.
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It does remind one of Church, back in the 70's going after the CIA, doesn't it?

Some of this has to do with the CIA putting Benghazi on the State Dept, which was acting extension of BO peep.

There was absolutely NO reason other than political, to release this report now. Also to draw heat off BO and his Team.

Did you see the poll from yesterday or the day before on how many Americans want BO sued?
 
tres borrachos said:
That's what I've been asking as well. What specifically was the purpose of the release of the report now?
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Control of the news and yet another attempt to bait the republicants into reacting stupidly. The hope is to paint the republicants as being pro torture and the fact that it may endanger US troops, embassy folks, contractors or tourists was deemed to be acceptable collateral damage.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Control of the news and yet another attempt to bait the republicants into reacting stupidly. The hope is to paint the republicants as being pro torture and the fact that it may endanger US troops, embassy folks, contractors or tourists was deemed to be acceptable collateral damage.
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Yes my question was rhetorical.;)
 
tres borrachos said:
That's what I've been asking as well. What specifically was the purpose of the release of the report now?
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I don't know. Like I said before, it wasn't released to stop something Fienstein thought was wrong. It had already been stopped a long time ago. Most Americans agree with it use due to the circumstances of what happened on 9-11.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know. Like I said before, it wasn't released to stop something Fienstein thought was wrong. It had already been stopped a long time ago. Most Americans agree with it use due to the circumstances of what happened on 9-11.
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That's Right.....it wasn't to change any policy.

Its like I mentioned up above. Political and also knowing this will be Feinstein's last hurrah. She is 81 and now she will lose the Chair.

Time for pasture and doing nothing but chewing that cud. Her future!
 
Napoleon said:
No, the purpose of this report is to expose a government organization which snatched, detained, tortured, and murdered people in the shadows and lied to the President, Congress, their own Inspector General, and the American people about it for years. The only highly partisan aspect of the release of these facts is the opposition to it. I find it hard to believe that any conservative actually believes that any arm of the State should be permitted to operate this way.
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Please don't do that...This "report" written solely by demo aids, and pushed forward without as much as a single interview of one person involved is little more than Feinstein's [sp] snotty little attempt to relieve her own conscience after knowing full well what was going on during the time. Not to mention there are reports that she released it in a revenge tirade, knowing full well it may cost other American's their lives. Anything, or anyone that gets killed over this is on her directly...Hope she feels better...Dumb bitch.
 
MMC said:
It does remind one of Church, back in the 70's going after the CIA, doesn't it?

Some of this has to do with the CIA putting Benghazi on the State Dept, which was acting extension of BO peep.

There was absolutely NO reason other than political, to release this report now. Also to draw heat off BO and his Team.

Did you see the poll from yesterday or the day before on how many Americans want BO sued?
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You had this one: 45% favor suing over immigration reform, 42% oppose:

To Sue or Not To Sue Over Obama
 
Boo Radley said:
Do we have to link were that wasn't really true again?
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Oh, you mean you want to link again to other like minded libs crying about an inconvenient fact? go ahead and look as foolish as you want.

Fact is, war is not won, nor lives saved during it by offering our enemies tea, and crumpets for intel. I suggest that you study up on the D-Day invasion, and the Nazi 19 in the lead up, and educate yourself...When the chips are down, and American lives are on the line, we employ some tough measures....War isn't a board game.
 
MMC said:
That's Right.....it wasn't to change any policy.

Its like I mentioned up above. Political and also knowing this will be Feinstein's last hurrah. She is 81 and now she will lose the Chair.

Time for pasture and doing nothing but chewing that cud. Her future!
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Fienstein wasn't the ideologue that her colleague from California is, Boxer. That is why releasing this report came as a surprise to me. Perhaps it was her way of getting back at the CIA for spying on the intel committee.
 
Napoleon said:
No, the purpose of this report is to expose a government organization which snatched, detained, tortured, and murdered people in the shadows and lied to the President, Congress, their own Inspector General, and the American people about it for years. The only highly partisan aspect of the release of these facts is the opposition to it. I find it hard to believe that any conservative actually believes that any arm of the State should be permitted to operate this way.
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Yep, by not including any names or making any criminal charges that sure will prevent this from ever happening again. ;)

Expressing "outrage" is not the same as actually doing something but gains nearly the same result politically. Congressional oversight, which occurs 8 years later, is much like scolding a group of 12 year olds for something that some of them did when they were 4 year olds.
 
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