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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

Then I guess they should have been asked so their reply could have been put into the record for the report.

Like I said, let the excuses begin, but the claims are known. What we have is the results. Bottom line, no results to show.
 
I posted later that the US is not a member of the ICC. Why would they hand over citizens to a court it doesn't recognize?

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

If the ICC is interested in investigating anything, I'd suggest they begin with Boku Haram and ISIS - or maybe burning people to death that have been locked in their homes, or beheading those they don't like isn't considered a crime? I'll let our legal system handle our problems. We don't need ICC or the UN to define what we do - 3,000 people died on 9-11 right here in our country, and if it takes brutal interrogation to get to the bottom of it, so be it! Let the Dems explain to their families why it's wrong! Sheesh!
 
Here's the point:

The torture report released Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee says the CIA deceived the nation with its insistence that the harsh interrogation tactics had saved lives. It says those claims are unsubstantiated by the CIA’s own records.

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

Whine about left and right all you want, the point is still the point.

The CIA seems to have deceived the administration on a number of points and to have knowingly broken the law in a number of cases.
I will reserve my opinion till I have sighted the report.
 
Let me put it context.

The terrorists use torture.

If we use the same indifference to humanity as the terrorists do, we are essentially no better then the enemy we are fighting.

In fact we are worse by claiming we represent the best of humanity.

Not buying that worn out old line.
 
Like I said, let the excuses begin, but the claims are known. What we have is the results. Bottom line,
no results to show
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How do you know if they didn't ask.
It doesn't occur to you that the Senate Dem staffers started with a conclusion and included only what supported it in the report?
Otherwise they would have at least tried to make it appear honest.
 
How do you know if they didn't ask.
It doesn't occur to you that the Senate Dem staffers started with a conclusion and included only what supported it in the report?
Otherwise they would have at least tried to make it appear honest.

I don't think so. This was pretty clear from the beginning. Remember no one was ever able to say when and where anything ever did anything, and when they did, it proved false. People had to willingly suspend disbelieve to accept torture worked to start with. There was tons of evidence prior to show that it didn't. We had clear examples of where it failed that could be shared, even during this time period (see al Libi).
 
The CIA seems to have deceived the administration on a number of points and to have knowingly broken the law in a number of cases.
I will reserve my opinion till I have sighted the report.

Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.
 
Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It appears it's being attempted as a diversion to help minimize the aftershock of Gruber's testimony, but I don't think it's going to work. Interrogation was over years ago - ACA is now, and it's affecting people's wallets!
 
Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.

To keep the incoming majority very, very busy. Same tactic Obama has been using. Plus now there's a chance to gin up some things to use to counter Benghazi and IRS and the other scandals for next election.
 
It's funny to watch Republicans go after Obama 6 times on Benghazi and come back empty handed....

Now... these reports are all about politics...

They can go **** themselves for all I care....

Most interesting thing to note is that all of the Democrats that were on the Intelligence Committees can't for a single second say that they weren't informed. They can't say for one minute they were ignorant about all this. I believe they were fully briefed on the matter.

If some people who have used these techniques, and have found them effective, I'd put a lot more faith and trust in that, than some other people who don't have the first hand experience of the matter claiming that it doesn't work.

Whether it works or not is one issue, I'm inclined to believe the people that actually used the techniques and to what effect. They say it works.

Whether or not it is torture or not is quite another. Hell, water-boarding is part of the some special forces military training.

If the actions were authorized and legal, is yet another issue. Given the number of reviews and legal documentation, I do believe that it was properly authorized.

Lastly, there is the issue if the US should be engaged in such activities or not. To this, I'd say generally not, but in extreme cases maybe. We have to temper this with question of 'How many people were water-boarded?', and I think the answer to that is like 3. Is that's what all the fervor is all about? 3?
 
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It appears it's being attempted as a diversion to help minimize the aftershock of Gruber's testimony, but I don't think it's going to work. Interrogation was over years ago - ACA is now, and it's affecting people's wallets!

Of course it could be because it is finished and ready for publication. Congress has had sufficient time to read it and prepare responses to it.
 
People will die because of this.

Good God, why do Democrats hate this country, the military, and the CIA so much?


It had began even before Feinstein Spoke.


Reaction to the Senate interrogation report going about as expected: ‘May Allaah destroy these filthy bastards’.....

Fantastic. Exit note, the Guardian also credits @ShamiWitness as playing a role helping ISIS recruit foreign fighters:

The most influential tweeter for foreign fighters was named as Shami Witness, a social media operator whose popularity has swollen in tandem with the territorial expansion of Isis, from 4,700 to 11,900 followers since April. It is an increase that some experts say chimes with his apparent evolution from anti-Assad activist to supporter of Isis, but his political evolution has, says Neumann, implications for western security. “You might have a wannabe foreign fighter sitting at home in Portsmouth and he can simply reach out to Shami Witness. He plays a role linking wannabes with foreign fighters.”

Over to you, Sen. Feinstein.....snip~

Reaction to the Senate interrogation report going about as expected: ‘May Allaah destroy these filthy bastards’ | Twitchy
 
Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.

Does anyone actually believe that the tor.. I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" ended with the election of the new president?

I suppose they must. Some people will believe almost anything.
 
Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.

The 500-page document released Tuesday included the executive summary and conclusions of a still-secret, 6,700-page full report, the results of a five-year, $40 million investigation. President Barack Obama ordered the interrogation practices halted when he took office nearly six years ago, though the harshest tactics had been discontinued years before. The report provides a catalog of what it deems misstatements by senior CIA officials to the president, the Justice Department, Congress and the American public. It describes mismanagement so deficient that the agency lost track of how many detainees it held. Senate investigators documented 119 — a higher figure than the 98 described in memos made public in 2009. At least 39 faced harsh interrogations, the report said. The CIA has cited the number 30.

Feinstein said the CIA's program amounted to "indefinite secret detention and the use of brutal interrogation techniques in violation of U.S. law, treaty obligations and our values."

Former CIA officials forcefully disputed the report's findings. So did Senate Republicans, whose written dissent accused Democrats of inaccuracies, sloppy analysis and cherry-picking evidence to reach a predetermined conclusion. CIA officials prepared their own response acknowledging serious mistakes in the interrogation program, but contending it produced vital intelligence that still guides the agency's counterterrorism efforts.....snip~

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work
 
Does anyone actually believe that the tor.. I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" ended with the election of the new president?

I suppose they must. Some people will believe almost anything.

Can't say. But the open excuse making for it did, and that is important in and of itself.
 
The CIA seems to have deceived the administration on a number of points and to have knowingly broken the law in a number of cases.
I will reserve my opinion till I have sighted the report.



Well, Feinstein did make sure our enemies will have some things to be upset by. What should happen to her if any American is killed over her report?


More brutal than previously known.....

After al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan in March of that year, the agency received permission from the Justice Department and White House to use several coercive techniques on him, including waterboarding, sleep deprivation and close confinement — a menu of tactics drawn up by two psychologists helping the CIA as contractors. The U.S. government ultimately paid their companies $80 million. The report doesn't name them, but they are Bruce Jessen and James Mitchell.

The CIA added unauthorized methods into the interrogation mix. At least five men in CIA detention received "rectal rehydration," a form of feeding through the rectum. The report found no medical necessity for the treatment.

Others received "ice baths" and death threats. At least three in captivity were told their families would suffer, with CIA officers threatening to harm their children, sexually abuse the mother of one man and cut the throat of another man's mother.....snip~

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work


They have just caused things to become more difficult to deal with out there. Truly more difficult.
Note how the AP just threw out the names of the Doctors that were consulted.
 
"The study reveals several gruesome instances of torture by mid-level CIA officers who participated in the program, including threats of sexual violence using a broomstick and the use of "rectal hydration" in instances of harsh interrogations that lasted for days or weeks on end. And, contrary to the agency's prior insistence that only three detainees were subject to waterboarding, the Senate report suggests it was likely used on more detainees.

Rather than wrestling with the morality of the agency’s torture program or the operation's damaging effect on the U.S.’ international credibility, Senate investigators instead weighed whether the agency's tactics were effective. Through narrative examinations of 20 separate detainee cases, the panel attempted to make the case that the use of harsh interrogation techniques such as waterboarding did not yield valuable intelligence.

Among the Senate report’s 20 main conclusions are that the CIA misled Congress, the White House and the Department of Justice, that the agency ignored internal critiques of the program, and that the CIA's use of the techniques went far beyond the legal authority bestowed upon it by the Bush White House."
Senate Report Says Torture Program Was More Gruesome, Widespread Than CIA Claimed

And the torture apologists come out of the woodwork. This time saying "oh stupid Dems!" or "this endangers American lives". Typical torture apoligists.
 
Left?

How is a JOINT report of Democrats AND Republicans, who are right leftist?


According to former CIA Directors George J. Tenet, Porter J. Goss and Michael V. Hayden (a retired Air Force general), and former CIA Deputy Directors John E. McLaughlin, Albert M. Calland (a retired Navy vice admiral) and Stephen R. Kappes:

Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives - WSJ
The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation of terrorists, prepared only by the Democratic majority staff, is a missed opportunity to deliver a serious and balanced study of an important public policy question.
 
The only way this actually backfires on Democrats is if Republicans decide to pass laws banning this sort of thing during their term... if they don't, they're looking pretty bad for bitching about non-existent death panels, Obama's dictatorship etc...
 
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