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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Let me put it context.

    The terrorists use torture.

    If we use the same indifference to humanity as the terrorists do, we are essentially no better then the enemy we are fighting.

    In fact we are worse by claiming we represent the best of humanity.
    Not buying that worn out old line.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like I said, let the excuses begin, but the claims are known. What we have is the results. Bottom line,
    no results to show
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    How do you know if they didn't ask.
    It doesn't occur to you that the Senate Dem staffers started with a conclusion and included only what supported it in the report?
    Otherwise they would have at least tried to make it appear honest.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    How do you know if they didn't ask.
    It doesn't occur to you that the Senate Dem staffers started with a conclusion and included only what supported it in the report?
    Otherwise they would have at least tried to make it appear honest.
    I don't think so. This was pretty clear from the beginning. Remember no one was ever able to say when and where anything ever did anything, and when they did, it proved false. People had to willingly suspend disbelieve to accept torture worked to start with. There was tons of evidence prior to show that it didn't. We had clear examples of where it failed that could be shared, even during this time period (see al Libi).

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The CIA seems to have deceived the administration on a number of points and to have knowingly broken the law in a number of cases.
    I will reserve my opinion till I have sighted the report.
    Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

    But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

    But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.
    Greetings, Pero.

    It appears it's being attempted as a diversion to help minimize the aftershock of Gruber's testimony, but I don't think it's going to work. Interrogation was over years ago - ACA is now, and it's affecting people's wallets!

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

    But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.
    To keep the incoming majority very, very busy. Same tactic Obama has been using. Plus now there's a chance to gin up some things to use to counter Benghazi and IRS and the other scandals for next election.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's funny to watch Republicans go after Obama 6 times on Benghazi and come back empty handed....

    Now... these reports are all about politics...

    They can go **** themselves for all I care....
    Most interesting thing to note is that all of the Democrats that were on the Intelligence Committees can't for a single second say that they weren't informed. They can't say for one minute they were ignorant about all this. I believe they were fully briefed on the matter.

    If some people who have used these techniques, and have found them effective, I'd put a lot more faith and trust in that, than some other people who don't have the first hand experience of the matter claiming that it doesn't work.

    Whether it works or not is one issue, I'm inclined to believe the people that actually used the techniques and to what effect. They say it works.

    Whether or not it is torture or not is quite another. Hell, water-boarding is part of the some special forces military training.

    If the actions were authorized and legal, is yet another issue. Given the number of reviews and legal documentation, I do believe that it was properly authorized.

    Lastly, there is the issue if the US should be engaged in such activities or not. To this, I'd say generally not, but in extreme cases maybe. We have to temper this with question of 'How many people were water-boarded?', and I think the answer to that is like 3. Is that's what all the fervor is all about? 3?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    It appears it's being attempted as a diversion to help minimize the aftershock of Gruber's testimony, but I don't think it's going to work. Interrogation was over years ago - ACA is now, and it's affecting people's wallets!
    Of course it could be because it is finished and ready for publication. Congress has had sufficient time to read it and prepare responses to it.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    People will die because of this.

    Good God, why do Democrats hate this country, the military, and the CIA so much?

    It had began even before Feinstein Spoke.


    Reaction to the Senate interrogation report going about as expected: ‘May Allaah destroy these filthy bastards’.....

    Fantastic. Exit note, the Guardian also credits @ShamiWitness as playing a role helping ISIS recruit foreign fighters:

    The most influential tweeter for foreign fighters was named as Shami Witness, a social media operator whose popularity has swollen in tandem with the territorial expansion of Isis, from 4,700 to 11,900 followers since April. It is an increase that some experts say chimes with his apparent evolution from anti-Assad activist to supporter of Isis, but his political evolution has, says Neumann, implications for western security. “You might have a wannabe foreign fighter sitting at home in Portsmouth and he can simply reach out to Shami Witness. He plays a role linking wannabes with foreign fighters.”

    Over to you, Sen. Feinstein.....snip~

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Supposedly all of this stuff was stopped when Bush was still president. So why release it now? You can't stop something that has already been stopped. I haven't seen the report, so I don't know if it will cost lives, deplete intel assets or stop some third countries from cooperating with us. All a possibility but as of now, unknown.

    But if the release of the report does cause all or some of the above to happen, then we know whom to blame. If not, then we know whom to give credit. Which ever way it goes, I just hope it does not have the repercussions the Church Report did which damaged and hindered our intel gathering capabilities for a couple of decades at least. But time will tell.
    Does anyone actually believe that the tor.. I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" ended with the election of the new president?

    I suppose they must. Some people will believe almost anything.
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