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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    I think you're a little wide stroking in with that Brush. That said, I certainly think the top hold responsibility. Not the bottom of the chain, but the top should hold the most accountability. I regret none ever did. And while I think some democrats need to be in that loop, that shouldn't save Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.
    And IMHO Joe, Feinstein should be in that "some democrats" you mention...She was briefed, by some accounts up to a dozen times on this program. And further, you have to view this in context...At the time, right after 9/11, we didn't know, and wanted answers, FAST. Not only did Bush, and Cheney, to include those in their administration develop these tactics, not all of them I might add, but, demo's that are acting today like they just never knew, and act all shocked and outraged..This report is prime example.

    Look, we had this debate, and as a conservative, I will say we lost it...These interrogations stopped, and there is now law specifically against it....So, what more do you want? Bush arrested? Cheney arrested? Not going to happen, and if that is your goal, then you look as foolish as Cindy Sheehan.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Oh good lord...That's embarrassing for you Ditto....You really buy into this? Come on....
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And IMHO Joe, Feinstein should be in that "some democrats" you mention...She was briefed, by some accounts up to a dozen times on this program. And further, you have to view this in context...At the time, right after 9/11, we didn't know, and wanted answers, FAST. Not only did Bush, and Cheney, to include those in their administration develop these tactics, not all of them I might add, but, demo's that are acting today like they just never knew, and act all shocked and outraged..This report is prime example.

    Look, we had this debate, and as a conservative, I will say we lost it...These interrogations stopped, and there is now law specifically against it....So, what more do you want? Bush arrested? Cheney arrested? Not going to happen, and if that is your goal, then you look as foolish as Cindy Sheehan.
    If she knew and supported, then add her. No argument from me. Just remember, that doesn't excuse any of the three I mentioned.

    As for context, no that doesn't justify it. We knew rather early one that we only need our agencies to talk to one another. Nor did we even invade right away. They had proven that attacking us was difficult. There was what, 8 years between the two attacks? There was nothing to indicate they were capable of doing much of anything quickly. So, there was nothing to justify breaking laws, being immoral, or forgetting who we are.

    As for having the debate, some still defend such evil. And yes, if I had my way, I'd have arrested them all, any who made the decision to torture. And I would fire all those who knew and said nothing (there was one, I forget his name, who tried to bring this to light without violating the law. He brought al Lbi to light).

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think a good step would be for those liberals using language, as you do yourself a little here, that we did this not only on a wide scale, but that it was like some frat house initiation....We, and by 'we' I mean democrats, as well as repubs asked the CIA to do exactly this after 9/11, and now want to come back like they just didn't know is a load of crap.
    Well, it's just a fact that only a tiny handful of Congress was read into the program and so the other 99% or so could not possibly have known.

    But the disturbing thing about this conversation is the widespread public support for (pick your term, EIT, torture, torture lite), and the widespread support of it by political leaders on the right. So it's hard to say we've put this issue behind us when Cheney says he'd do it again in a heartbeat and the vast majority of the GOP including political leaders nod in agreement. If that's the case, that we don't do it now is merely a strategic decision.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Well, it's just a fact that only a tiny handful of Congress was read into the program and so the other 99% or so could not possibly have known.

    But the disturbing thing about this conversation is the widespread public support for (pick your term, EIT, torture, torture lite), and the widespread support of it by political leaders on the right. So it's hard to say we've put this issue behind us when Cheney says he'd do it again in a heartbeat and the vast majority of the GOP including political leaders nod in agreement. If that's the case, that we don't do it now is merely a strategic decision.
    Luckily, the American people do not agree with you and, also fortunate, is that you are not in a responsible position for protecting the American people against terrorism. American People Continue to Support Enhanced Interrogation of Suspected Terrorists | Washington Free Beacon

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Luckily, the American people do not agree with you and, also fortunate, is that you are not in a responsible position for protecting the American people against terrorism. American People Continue to Support Enhanced Interrogation of Suspected Terrorists | Washington Free Beacon
    Poll results depend a lot on how the questions are asked:

    Sixty-one percent of respondents supported the statement that enhanced interrogation “techniques are justified when they are the only way to stop the murder of another 3,000 innocent Americans in another 9/11″ over the statement that “America should never use harsh interrogation techniques on detainees, because they are torture.”
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Luckily, the American people do not agree with you and, also fortunate, is that you are not in a responsible position for protecting the American people against terrorism. American People Continue to Support Enhanced Interrogation of Suspected Terrorists | Washington Free Beacon
    Does the poll reflect the sentiments of a modern day lynch mob?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Poll results depend a lot on how the questions are asked:
    True, and that would appear to be the circumstances in the case under discussion.

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