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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Well, your admission of America's committing evil against innocent Muslims is certainly justification for more terrorism, and their use of it as recruiting tool. Have you also been contributing to their web sites?
    No, it isn't. Evil doesn't justify evil. But if we care about recruitment, lying about it isn't the way to go. Simply stop being immoral. Follow rule of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it isn't. Evil doesn't justify evil. But if we care about recruitment, lying about it isn't the way to go. Simply stop being immoral. Follow rule of law.
    So tell me, if that is the way to go, we have done that no?
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    So tell me, if that is the way to go, we have done that no?
    Yes, we are better today.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, we are better today.
    I am glad you understand that...Others like Ditto were actually saying earlier that he didn't know if it was ongoing or not....It's not, and hasn't been for quite some time before Obama made the show with his inauguration day EO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am glad you understand that...Others like Ditto were actually saying earlier that he didn't know if it was ongoing or not....It's not, and hasn't been for quite some time before Obama made the show with his inauguration day EO.
    It could be hidden, and that's sadly true. But by all evidence I know of, it's better.

    And Obama was right after all the tortured language and convoluted reasoning for torture to state clearly that it is wrong and that we don't have to be immoral.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It could be hidden, and that's sadly true. But by all evidence I know of, it's better.

    And Obama was right after all the tortured language and convoluted reasoning for torture to state clearly that it is wrong and that we don't have to be immoral.
    I think a good step would be for those liberals using language, as you do yourself a little here, that we did this not only on a wide scale, but that it was like some frat house initiation....We, and by 'we' I mean democrats, as well as repubs asked the CIA to do exactly this after 9/11, and now want to come back like they just didn't know is a load of crap.
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    Irony is not a metal but it can make for strong walls of denial.

    Bush was unprepared for 9/11 and then he failed to follow through on the legitimate objective of controlling Afghanistan owing to some bizarre hatred of Iraq's leader.
    He'd threatened his daddy.

    Who had had the good sense to send Saddam packing from Kuwait and then go home and not try to start a nation building projecy.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    He'd threatened his daddy.
    Oh good lord...That's embarrassing for you Ditto....You really buy into this? Come on....
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Oh good lord...That's embarrassing for you Ditto....You really buy into this? Come on....
    The alternative is the desire for the oil resources in Iraq.

    Although Bush marketed the war in Iraq as necessary to protect us from Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD), his decisions had less to do with self-defense than with dominating the oil-rich Middle East. Some evidence for this conclusion can be found in a September 2000 report prepared by the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC). The report, commissioned by Dick Cheney, outlines a plan “to maintain American military preeminence that is consistent with the requirements of a strategy of American global leadership.” It notes that while “the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” Another document produced for Vice President Cheney’s secret Energy Task Force included a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals as well as charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” That document was dated March 2001, six months before 9/11 and two years before Bush invaded Iraq.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think a good step would be for those liberals using language, as you do yourself a little here, that we did this not only on a wide scale, but that it was like some frat house initiation....We, and by 'we' I mean democrats, as well as repubs asked the CIA to do exactly this after 9/11, and now want to come back like they just didn't know is a load of crap.
    I think you're a little wide stroking in with that Brush. That said, I certainly think the top hold responsibility. Not the bottom of the chain, but the top should hold the most accountability. I regret none ever did. And while I think some democrats need to be in that loop, that shouldn't save Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.

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