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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Now it's official that KSM wasn't the only one, and that waterboarding wasn't the only form of sharpened interrogation that took place, so we know now that our government, the one that is supposed to stick up for human rights and stand for freedom and limited government and yadayadayada actually suborned tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation of prisoners.

    What we don't know is that said torture actually produced any useful information.

    Now that the report is out, the only refuge of the "Oh, our government would never do that" folks is to say that the report was produced by Democrats, and is ipso facto flawed, and/or that the end justified the means and kept us safe.

    And that's simply a crock.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    When various journalists have volunteered to get taped getting the waterboard, we count that as ONE because not one that I've seen has lasted more than a few seconds, and I've seen no one have that repeated. It's the same way the 183 was counted.

    How should it be counted? Let's say you're on the receiving end, the water was poured over your face, you're unable to breath, ingest a bunch of water, choke, gag, vomit, before they quit pouring, and then they let you rest for a few minutes before doing it again. It would make a helluva lot of difference whether that "application" happened once that day or 40 times. Apparently, the right wing apologists want to count 1 "application" and 40 as equivalent, and just count it as one "waterboard." Which number better reflects what happened? One or 40? If it was you, I can promise it's 40.

    BTW, the report is extensively documented with hundreds or thousands of footnotes. Every important statement is supported by an original document. It's legitimate journalism to quote from that kind of document - that's what journalists DO. And as many have pointed out, I've seen almost no allegations that any facts cited in the report are false. And if they're false, then the underlying documents contemporaneously prepared by CIA or other officials and cited in the report were false.
    If you've seen no allegations which were cited as false then you just haven't been looking. We know ths is a partisan report, that those who were for it are now against it, that the CIA wasn't interviewed now those in the room, that guidelines were set, that legal counsel was involved and the Eric Holder investigated and found that all was legal.

    Here's the account from one of those who participated and he seems appears to be quite an honest man, certainly moreso than those who issued the report. Man Who Interrogated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Speaks Out

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The leftists are siding with Islam and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Between leftism and Islam the future, in a couple of generations, seems clear.
    That is stupid Fox propaganda. We should not be so fearful.

    What 'deals' are you talking about?
    The word was ideals. Like being good, moral people who believe in life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, among other things.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, you're wrong on that too
    Actually, no, I'm right on target.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, no, I'm right on target.
    That's your opinion.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion.
    Certainly, but care to explain his error as I don't see it.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion.
    and an excellent and well supported opinion it is.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is stupid Fox propaganda. We should not be so fearful.
    Fox propaganda??? The man involved was being interviewed! Hw can that be propaganda?? Fox only did what the authors of that report should have done. How can interviewing those who were on the scene be 'propaganda'?
    The word was ideals. Like being good, moral people who believe in life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, among other things.
    You appear to believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for terrorists, but what about the American people who die by their hands?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Fox propaganda??? The man involved was being interviewed! Hw can that be propaganda?? Fox only did what the authors of that report should have done. How can interviewing those who were on the scene be 'propaganda'?
    What are you going on about? I'm speaking to your exaggerated fear, and not one interview.

    You appear to believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for terrorists, but what about the American people who die by their hands?
    Now you try to marginalize with a lie. I have noted two who were not terrorist who were killed. And I'm all for punishing terrorist. But not for abusing people just to be abusing them. Torture is ineffective and immoral. That means there is no reason to do it.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and an excellent and well supported opinion it is.
    On the road...will address properly later.
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