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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Some of the detainees died from the torture. Check the posts above.
    I didn't see any links. Help me out?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    Personally, I don't believe that waterboarding or sleep deprivation is torture. Pulling fingernails, beatings, breaking bones or causing serious and lasting injury to me would be torture. I suppose it's all a matter of individual bias.
    You hit the nail on the head.

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    For those with the authoritarian bent, there is no need for the rule of law. If the president does it, it's not illegal.

    I get it.

    I condemn those who think that way, but I do get it. I read years ago Zimbardo's book The Lucifer Effect.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    I didn't see any links. Help me out?
    Sure. First, there's the link already given above about a taxi driver named Dhaliwal. Then, there's this poor guy:
    4. One detainee died, apparently from hypothermia, after being chained, nearly naked, to a concrete floor
    A glimpse of these techniques details how the CIA employed sleep deprivation to wear down victims: It "involved keeping detainees awake for up to 180 hours, usually standing or in stress positions, at times with their hands shackled above their heads."
    Sharpened interrogation just isn't a morally acceptable option for a democracy t hat values human rights.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure. First, there's the link already given above about a taxi driver named Dhaliwal. Then, there's this poor guy:


    Sharpened interrogation just isn't a morally acceptable option for a democracy t hat values human rights.

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    One guy? That's all?

    These prisoners are illegal combatants. Some of them probably fit the definition of a mercenary. They don't rate protection under the GC, nor The Constitution. Democracy was protected, not endangered.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What I said originally was that our objective is to eradicate the cockroaches, not to become cockroaches.
    Furthermore, a better case could be made for torture to have helped to convince more Muslims to radicalize than one that torture actually helped to save lives.
    And just what in the hell do you think the release of this biased report does? It'll be used as a recruiting tool for some time to come.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure. First, there's the link already given above about a taxi driver named Dhaliwal. Then, there's this poor guy:


    Sharpened interrogation just isn't a morally acceptable option for a democracy t hat values human rights.

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    So CNN regurgitates misinformation, and parrots the report and you lap it up as independent corroboration? You're embarrassing yourself Ditto.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So CNN regurgitates misinformation, and parrots the report and you lap it up as independent corroboration? You're embarrassing yourself Ditto.
    You not wanting to believe it doesn't make it false. In fact, no one defending the CIA says it's false, only that it's not "torture", or that the tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation can be justified in a sort of the end justifies the means sort of way.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And just what in the hell do you think the release of this biased report does? It'll be used as a recruiting tool for some time to come.
    The terrorists already know that torture happened. So does anyone who has been paying attention and didn't swallow the "United States does not torture" statement made by one POTUS or the "torture ended" statement made by another.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You not wanting to believe it doesn't make it false. In fact, no one defending the CIA says it's false, only that it's not "torture", or that the tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation can be justified in a sort of the end justifies the means sort of way.

    You can call a turd a cupcake if you want. It is what it is.
    So, why did you try to trot out a dishonest CNN article like you did? And if you are lapping up that report from Feinsten's aids, then you should be smart enough to know that Feinstein was briefed many times while it was ongoing and said or did NOTHING to stop it...In fact reports were that she egged it on, just like Pelosi, and Rockefeller....So...What do you call that? I call it highly dishonest.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The terrorists already know that torture happened. So does anyone who has been paying attention and didn't swallow the "United States does not torture" statement made by one POTUS or the "torture ended" statement made by another.
    Oh, so you believe it is ongoing today?
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