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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure what the purpose was of McCain's torture. I just know he understands what it's all about better than most, having endured it personally.

    I also think the mantra that tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation was justified because it saves lives is a copout.
    I believe the Vietnam POWs were mostly tortured (real torture not waterboarding) to make them "admit" to being war criminals and sign documents/make videos admitting that the US was committing war crimes against the peaceful people of North Vietnam.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'll conclude that you're walking back the televised executions and torture stuff, which is good.

    And I suppose if we devoted a few hundred $billion to the problem, invade and occupy the area for a decade or so, we could eradicate "ISIS," but I don't think the problem is that simple. For example, I don't think our inability to eradicate radical Islam from the face of the earth is due to a lack of will or resources, etc.

    Not comparing them in ANY way - just an example - but let's pretend the Chinese wanted to eradicate militia types in the U.S. I'm sure they could eradicate known militias with enough effort and with proper disregard of civilian casualties, but we've got 300 million people, 10s of millions at least armed and some millions of those willing to fight an enemy like China, and watching them round up and kill 10,000 Americans would just motivate some large number of those to take their place. I don't see any difference with our efforts against "ISIS" or "AQ" in that region. Not unless you're willing to do the "Stalin purge" kind of thing, which we're not going to do.
    I am not really "walking back" anything.

    I wish you would discontinue using Stalin as a reference for my line of thinking. It is no where near the mark.

    What I am trying to say is that when face with aggression, you must respond with greater force. Sometimes you have to get down to their level in order to make them understand that you are not going to be a victim, that you are not an easy target anymore.

    These people do not think like you do. They are living in a different century and will not be pulled into the modern era of progressive thinking. They don't care a fig about human rights. They don't have any comprehension of "inalienable rights". They see things much differently than we do and some of them will NEVER see things the way that we do. Some of them believe that our way of life is a danger to them and their way of life, some, I'm sure are just making money or gaining prestige while killing Americans. I hate to sy it like this, but sometimes you have to get a little dirty to win. These people have to understand that we mean business. They have to understand that there is no rock they can hide under, no bush to hide behind and no country to hide in.

    Your comparison with the militia types in the U.S. makes no sense to me. I understand that you are not comparing them to ISIS or AQ, but the fact is the U.S. Govt is not helping or hiding those people.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why not just say it Ditto, you'd rather see more American's possibly killed like on 9/11 rather than make a terrorist uncomfortable....Because that's what it sounds like.
    What I said originally was that our objective is to eradicate the cockroaches, not to become cockroaches.
    Furthermore, a better case could be made for torture to have helped to convince more Muslims to radicalize than one that torture actually helped to save lives.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Partly yes. America's dissatisfaction with demo's today is that we are sick and damned tired of being lied to, and political stunts like this. If Feinstein (whom I have already said that I had respect for her before this) wanted to have this report make an impact other than divide the nation over this rehash again, she would have done what it took to bring repubs on board, and release the report instead of sitting on it until it was politically useful.
    Agree that using an issue like this one to score political points is reprehensible.

    Disagree that Democrats are the only ones lying to us.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What we did to the terrorists was kindergarten **** compared to what McCain went through.
    Sure, if they torture and kill kindergartners.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    I believe the Vietnam POWs were mostly tortured (real torture not waterboarding) to make them "admit" to being war criminals and sign documents/make videos admitting that the US was committing war crimes against the peaceful people of North Vietnam.
    Waterboarding is real torture. Sleep deprivation is real torture. Many things are real torture.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Waterboarding is real torture. Sleep deprivation is real torture. Many things are real torture.
    Locking someone up without any charges, trial date, defined sentence or access to a lawyer, zapping them with a drone for being too close to a secret target or placing them on a secret kill on sight list are much better options - just ask Obama.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's always been the contention of the liberal left like yourself Joe...Nothing has changed with this highly partisan, and politically timed report. The report means nothing, they just did it to endanger CIA lives, because they hate them, they always have.
    The liberal left. You couldn't stay with me. You grouped mindlessly again. I'll stop at three, but I hope you concede the point.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Partly yes. America's dissatisfaction with demo's today is that we are sick and damned tired of being lied to, and political stunts like this. If Feinstein (whom I have already said that I had respect for her before this) wanted to have this report make an impact other than divide the nation over this rehash again, she would have done what it took to bring repubs on board, and release the report instead of sitting on it until it was politically useful.
    Some only like being lied to by republicans.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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