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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    We are not really defending ourselves. If we REALLY wanted to eradicate ISIS, do you believe they would be able to continue to exist? We have the ability both in technology and manpower to make that organization nothing more than a memory. The problem is we lack the political will to go get them.
    I'll conclude that you're walking back the televised executions and torture stuff, which is good.

    And I suppose if we devoted a few hundred $billion to the problem, invade and occupy the area for a decade or so, we could eradicate "ISIS," but I don't think the problem is that simple. For example, I don't think our inability to eradicate radical Islam from the face of the earth is due to a lack of will or resources, etc.

    Not comparing them in ANY way - just an example - but let's pretend the Chinese wanted to eradicate militia types in the U.S. I'm sure they could eradicate known militias with enough effort and with proper disregard of civilian casualties, but we've got 300 million people, 10s of millions at least armed and some millions of those willing to fight an enemy like China, and watching them round up and kill 10,000 Americans would just motivate some large number of those to take their place. I don't see any difference with our efforts against "ISIS" or "AQ" in that region. Not unless you're willing to do the "Stalin purge" kind of thing, which we're not going to do.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, then there was sharpened interrogation. the problem, then, is that the report was made by the Democrats.

    But of course you remember the Eleventh Commandment

    "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan

    That's the reason they got their panties in a wad (but then again it doesn't take much of anything to do that ).

    Even their two biggest war hawks (McCain and Graham) supports the report.


    Graham doesn't like the timing, so maybe next they should have a consult with him on when would be a good time for him. LOL!!!

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'll conclude that you're walking back the televised executions and torture stuff, which is good.

    And I suppose if we devoted a few hundred $billion to the problem, invade and occupy the area for a decade or so, we could eradicate "ISIS," but I don't think the problem is that simple. For example, I don't think our inability to eradicate radical Islam from the face of the earth is due to a lack of will or resources, etc.

    Not comparing them in ANY way - just an example - but let's pretend the Chinese wanted to eradicate militia types in the U.S. I'm sure they could eradicate known militias with enough effort and with proper disregard of civilian casualties, but we've got 300 million people, 10s of millions at least armed and some millions of those willing to fight an enemy like China, and watching them round up and kill 10,000 Americans would just motivate some large number of those to take their place. I don't see any difference with our efforts against "ISIS" or "AQ" in that region. Not unless you're willing to do the "Stalin purge" kind of thing, which we're not going to do.
    It wouldn't take a few hundred billion. We could offer 75k to the poor for each dead Terrorist/Jihadist. 75k they could live the rest of their lives out over there in comfort. There is only around a 100k of them. There is over 10 million poor people for the terrorists to deal with.

    Moreover if we wanted.....we could empty our Prisons with those who have life and or the death penalty, offering them a pardon. Which would require seeking out and terminating Jihadists on sight. Free again if they can survive and free to live anywhere else in the world but here.

    This does not include hiring those Bounty Hunters who fund themselves to go Hunting.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    But of course you remember the Eleventh Commandment

    "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan

    That's the reason they got their panties in a wad (but then again it doesn't take much of anything to do that ).

    Even their two biggest war hawks (McCain and Graham) supports the report.


    Graham doesn't like the timing, so maybe next they should have a consult with him on when would be a good time for him. LOL!!!

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    Torture report divides Republicans - Burgess Everett - POLITICO
    Yep.

    Of course McCain knows about torture from first hand experience.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yep.

    Of course McCain knows about torture from first hand experience.
    But was McCain tortured for the purpose of extracting information from him? Or was he tortured for sport? I ask because I question the claim that torture is a poor way to get info. Plus I am curious as to what methods McCain would suggest be used on a guy like Khalid Sheik Muhammed. After all, the guy wasn't going to talk on his own. Finally, how is it we haven't developed some sort of truth serum by now that would make the whole torture issue obsolete? Sorry to drop all this on you Dittohead not! You were just the last one to post lol

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But was McCain tortured for the purpose of extracting information from him? Or was he tortured for sport? I ask because I question the claim that torture is a poor way to get info. Plus I am curious as to what methods McCain would suggest be used on a guy like Khalid Sheik Muhammed. After all, the guy wasn't going to talk on his own. Finally, how is it we haven't developed some sort of truth serum by now that would make the whole torture issue obsolete? Sorry to drop all this on you Dittohead not! You were just the last one to post lol
    I'm not sure what the purpose was of McCain's torture. I just know he understands what it's all about better than most, having endured it personally.

    I also think the mantra that tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation was justified because it saves lives is a copout.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, then there was sharpened interrogation. the problem, then, is that the report was made by the Democrats.
    Partly yes. America's dissatisfaction with demo's today is that we are sick and damned tired of being lied to, and political stunts like this. If Feinstein (whom I have already said that I had respect for her before this) wanted to have this report make an impact other than divide the nation over this rehash again, she would have done what it took to bring repubs on board, and release the report instead of sitting on it until it was politically useful.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure what the purpose was of McCain's torture. I just know he understands what it's all about better than most, having endured it personally.

    I also think the mantra that tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation was justified because it saves lives is a copout.
    Why not just say it Ditto, you'd rather see more American's possibly killed like on 9/11 rather than make a terrorist uncomfortable....Because that's what it sounds like.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why not just say it Ditto, you'd rather see more American's possibly killed like on 9/11 rather than make a terrorist uncomfortable....Because that's what it sounds like.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure what the purpose was of McCain's torture. I just know he understands what it's all about better than most, having endured it personally.

    I also think the mantra that tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation was justified because it saves lives is a copout.
    What we did to the terrorists was kindergarten **** compared to what McCain went through.
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