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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    VEO?
    Sorry - "Violent Extremist Organization". It's the way that we avoid saying things like "Islamic Terrorist Networks".

    Well, causation is difficult to prove, even when it's just common sense, but we've been killing suspected terrorists with drones for some time now. Are there more or fewer terrorists now than there were before we started the "war on terror"?
    The problem being, once you break it out, you get more terrorists when terrorist groups are perceived as being successful, and fewer when they are perceived as losing.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Decades of intervention, decades of presence spotted with military presence, a current war that has lasted itself more than a decade and where are we? Are terrorists beaten? No? So we should continue intervening in this same manner, but it will totally be different this time?

    Don't buy it. All our wars, all our bombings, all our military campaigns, all our political pressure decade after decade has solved nothing. Doing more of the same will do nothing.
    Nothing, huh. When was the last time Israel went to war with Egypt?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Agreed. You don't go to war unless you're in it to win.

    WWII, the enemy attacked the homeland, the Congress declared war on the perpetrators, and the entire country was on war footing. In four years, the enemy was defeated.

    Iraq, an enemy that was not allied with Iraq attacked the homeland, no war was declared, we went in to try to remake the country into a democracy, and 13 years later the enemy is stronger than ever. That's not the way to conduct a war.
    No, in Iraq we had defeated not one but two sets of enemies in an 8 year span, but then left, and allowed the second to regenerate, which it did rapidly. Presenting it as though it were some straight upward-graph line in "ISIL power" is false.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is an uphill fight. The first steps have been taken, but it is not going to be easy.
    um... yeah.... so, what good actors are going to step in and fill the security void? Is Germany going to do it? Spain? Japan? Does Australia have that kind of projection capacity?


    The US is the indispensable nation at this point. None of the people that you would want to project stability are capable of the task, even if they were willing.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's not what was done in this case.
    That is exactly what was done with this report...

    Rich Lowery makes an excellent point in this article:

    Dianne Feinstein's Travesty | National Review Online

    Also a good back and forth with Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume on this here:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...weRvqexbNy60Un

    But, don't take my word for it...Many are asserting that this report was written solely by Demo staffers, starting with the conclusions that wanted to show, and either omitted information, or massaged information to fit their conclusion.

    Sorry that is inconvenient for you.

    Are you going to seriously argue that there was no "sharper interrogation", really?
    That's a strawman argument. I never said that, and if you can point to where I did, then I'll address that ridiculous claim.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    But, don't take my word for it...Many are asserting that this report was written solely by Demo staffers, starting with the conclusions that wanted to show, and either omitted information, or massaged information to fit their conclusion.

    Sorry that is inconvenient for you.
    I don't give a rat's ass what "many" (read: right-wing water carriers) are "asserting" unless they can provide a shred of evidence that what they're asserting is in any way true.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't give a rat's ass what "many" (read: right-wing water carriers) are "asserting" unless they can provide a shred of evidence that what they're asserting is in any way true.
    LOL, laughable Kobie....Are you saying this is a bipartisan report?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    LOL, laughable Kobie....Are you saying this is a bipartisan report?
    Evidence that they omitted/massaged information, smart guy.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Evidence that they omitted/massaged information, smart guy.
    Is that like Hillary's Smart Power?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Is that like Hillary's Smart Power?
    What?
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