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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I think I have made my position on torture very clear in this and other posts on the matter.....that wasn't the point....the point still is YOUR acceptance of torture as a legitimate act by the state.

    Yeah me and most of the Country.

    What did this accomplish? It may fire up the lefty base and sate ideologues' political bloodlust after a brutal election, but this issue isn't a major advantage to posturing Democrats. Why? Americans overwhelmingly believe that "torture" is sometimes justified:





    Imagine that!

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Poe's Law example - can't tell if this is serious or not. If it is serious, then it's a shame you have so little regard for your country.
    little regard? I served 20 years as a Marine so please don't question my patriotism.

    When confronted by aggression the only real way to answer is with overwhelming force. That's how we beat the Nazis and the Japanese. That's why we didn't win in Korea and Vietnam. We denied the warriors that sacrificed there the political will to do what was necessary to win, regardless of international politics.

    You don't win a war by limited engagement. You have to be "all in". 100% committed to the task at hand.

    The people who conceived and executed the attacks on 9/11 only understand one thing. Force!! If we want to defeat them then we have to make total war on them. Find them and catch or kill them. Kill their replacements and eventually we will eradicate them.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's an interesting claim. Can you demonstrate that drone strikes create more VEO members than they kill?
    VEO?
    Well, causation is difficult to prove, even when it's just common sense, but we've been killing suspected terrorists with drones for some time now. Are there more or fewer terrorists now than there were before we started the "war on terror"?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're just factually wrong. Waterboarding has always been torture. We've considered it that and so does the rest of the world.

    And I did wear those wings, which means I'm more than a weaker minded lacky. I think. I ask questions. I think critically. I can read and know our past. I listen when the military itself reports this is a bad idea. A true solider knows war is to be avoided when possible, that it is a saddness and not something to be cheered. Soldiers go to war reluctantly because they no the cost. And they know tortue us wrong, especially when we torture innocent people. And we did torture innocent people, not to mention that many had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq did not help with that attack. Too many speak in mindlessly generalized terms as you did above.

    One more thing, if you live long enough, you may learn that your bluster is not convincing. Such blood lust is not justice, and others won't react in fear, but instead intensify their efforts. I pray you live long enough to learn better.
    I have lived long enough to retire from the Marine Corps after 20 years of service. I have also been around long enough to question the integrity of individuals who portray themselves as former warriors who question their country.

    It's not "bloodlust" I do understand that war is a horrible thing, however, if you are going to commit to war, then commit. It must be all in, total warfare, to hell with international politics. It is no other countries right to dictate to us how we defend ourselves, especially the Russians, the French and the Germans.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    LOL...Bingo, gottcha there ditto...See, I know that when you get all snarky and sarcastic, you've lost the debate at that moment so I will leave it at that.
    Snarky and sarcastic is just the way I roll when someone is making absurd claims.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Snarky and sarcastic is just the way I roll when someone is making absurd claims.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess I got you confused with the other "Uncensored2008" who said this:



    My apologies!
    Nope, I stand by that.

    The democrats view Republicans and all non-democrats as the enemy. They do not view radical Islam as the enemy. They indeed align themselves with radical Islam as an "enemy of their enemy" against the foe they seek to defeat.

    And all you've done so far is assert without the slightest explanation that she's committed treason. It's really not enough to assert it - generally if you're going to lob an incendiary charge like that, you'd tell us the basis for it.



    I don't agree. There is no practical gain in burying the sins of our past, which is what you seem to think is the only legitimate option, and anyone who doesn't agree is committing treason.

    Besides, the report has been in process for years, begun when the democrats had control of the WH, the House and Senate. Did you think they'd spend 6 years and then bury the report. If not, and you expected a release, then how in the hell do you conclude that the release that's been in process for a year or so is related to the losses in November? It's a rhetorical question - you're a blind partisan so see all things through that lens...

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    I have lived long enough to retire from the Marine Corps after 20 years of service. I have also been around long enough to question the integrity of individuals who portray themselves as former warriors who question their country.

    It's not "bloodlust" I do understand that war is a horrible thing, however, if you are going to commit to war, then commit. It must be all in, total warfare, to hell with international politics. It is no other countries right to dictate to us how we defend ourselves, especially the Russians, the French and the Germans.
    Agreed. You don't go to war unless you're in it to win.

    WWII, the enemy attacked the homeland, the Congress declared war on the perpetrators, and the entire country was on war footing. In four years, the enemy was defeated.

    Iraq, an enemy that was not allied with Iraq attacked the homeland, no war was declared, we went in to try to remake the country into a democracy, and 13 years later the enemy is stronger than ever. That's not the way to conduct a war.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    meh
    CIA has mellowed out, only smoking , instead of smoking and drinking.
    only down to torture, instead of asassinations

    Studies in Intelligence: New Articles from The CIA's In-House Journal
    They could never keep up with Obama in assassinations, Seriously, the CIA never bagged a 16 year old American citizen - only a master assassin like Barack Obama can pull that off.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    little regard? I served 20 years as a Marine so please don't question my patriotism.
    I guess we have a little different opinion about what the basic ideals of the country you fought for. If this is what my country stands for, then I'm ashamed: "We should have tortured them. We should have executed them on live TV and showed the world that we are not playing around anymore."

    That's the kind of place that the people we're fighting would applaud. Stalin, Hitler, and our enemies in the ME would approve. We're better than that.

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